Retirement Targets

Topper- I have a single guy just turned 61 who makes 100k+ and puts in<2%.

I am the POC for our 401k plan at our small biz. Out of about 15 employees I would say 4 are are doing what they should. The rest are 3%, 5% - or less.

I have a half dozen employees who earn more than enough to max out their contribution if they had any kind of financial plan or forethought. They just don't.

People are just dumb about their personal finances. They think it is too hard and means making sad choices, so they ignore it. And then wonder why they aren't getting anywhere...
I took me a few minutes to figure out that POC=point of contact and not a person of color. I couldn't figure out why you would bring that up when it came to talk about a 401k. :)
 
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A few links that I've found helpful


https://opensocialsecurity.com/ -Help determine when to take Social Security

https://www.youtube.com/@MoneyEvolution I've learned a lot from watching his videos
The FIRE calculator gave me this to me on how long I need to work yet.


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A few links that I've found helpful


https://opensocialsecurity.com/ -Help determine when to take Social Security

https://www.youtube.com/@MoneyEvolution I've learned a lot from watching his videos

According to this calculator I'm in the home stretch!
 
It defaults to significantly below.

That's bull **** and designed to drive sales.

People are not financially savvy. There is ample room to prey on people and their fears. They see a model saying they are well below where they need to be?

Well let me show you a product that can help. For just a small fee.
Interesting. When I first met with my Fidelity advisor, I think it defaulted to average, and we discussed it because I had changed it to lower. So, there wasn't any agenda as far as the selection goes. The models give you an idea of potential future results, which I don't think is a bad thing. Sure they can conveniently let you know about management portfolios, but people who aren't financially savvy what are they doing to do anyway?

I'm not a fidelity apologist, believe me I've had my own issues with them, but the modeling isn't one of them. I completely get where you're coming from, because you'd be financially engaged.
 
All this modeling talk - I prefer to run the Monte Carlo simulations to come up with a envelope of all possible scenarios in a statistically-significant analysis. If I can tweak the variables to come up with a >95% success rate to my target, then I can sleep comfortable at night.

(Average / Above / Below based models are too generic for my liking)
 
Any of you use any of schwabs money market funds? Been debating on a couple of them, but have no experience.
 
I read a couple of years ago, average male spends approx. 8 months in LTC before passing or moving. Average female spends 15 months in LTC. I believe their definition of LTC is nursing home or heavily assisted living. Not light duty assisted living/senior centers like some of these places. My mom was in both. Light duty center for 4 years and loved it. Nursing home for 5 months and hated it (or course that was at end of life at age 97 and not much of anything was fun by then).
I tell myself I will be accepting of it when my time comes to go into full on assisted living. I hope I can hold to that attitude when the time comes. I know I don't want to be a physical burden to any family members,
 
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Saw this the other day. Interesting and says something about the Social Security conversation. If they raise the age I'll be broken down before I could enjoy any of that benefit.

Americans who are healthy at age 50 can expect to have roughly 23 more years free of disability, plus about eight years living with disability. That would suggest people’s maximum working life expectancy, on average, is age 73.

I just can't imagine people with physically demanding jobs not being able to claim full amount until age 70.
 
My dad passed away one month after retirement. He was dirt cheap so he had more than enough to take him through retirement. I had a grandma that was in a care center for close to 20 years. She paid that bill on her own. She was sitting pretty good still when she passed. She had quite a few kids so while it was a decent inheritance each, the splitting so many ways made it a lot less than what a normal sized family would have been.
Some people enjoy work. They are lost when it ends. That won't be me, but I have seen it more than a few times.
 
Makes one wonder all the people you see that don’t have any type of 401k, Roth, retirement type of financial package.

My wife has a case load of 70 people that don’t. It’s sad that these people live the life they do and their kids just live off of them. Just seems a lot of people live for the moment and don’t even think about down the road. I started paying into social security when I was 15 and started a 401k at 21.
Some people can't see past tomorrow or think its way too complicated for them to understand or go the instant gratification route and tell themselves they don't have any extra money to save. I have seen many who don't want to work their way up the ladder to increase their incomes either. Just like to go punch in and punch out without a ton of responsibility or stress.
 
My mother is 93 and currently resides in a LTC facility. I consider the amenities adequate but nothing extravagant. Today we received notice that the cost will raise to $291 per day for her private room. Other options offered are private deluxe $336 per day and semi private room rate of $283 per day. These are in northeast Iowa in the small community of Fayette. fyi.
How is the staff at a place in rural Iowa? They have a hard time finding / keeping staff that care?
 
Yeah, but its not just about me. I want my wife to be taken care of if I croak at 65. And while its very possible to die younger than expected, planning your financial future around that is probably not the wisest strategy.
Yep. I have had this convo with my wife. She is more YOLO than me. I remind her if I croak she will need to have enough to get to the end also, and I want to make sure that happens. Financial stress just sucks and just want to avoid that for anyone surviving me that needs assets to continue on.
 
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Curious why people want to have 100% of their Salary at Retirement (sure that sounds great).
But realistically do you even "need" that much.
Example: If you make $80K, I assume you are putting 25% to 401K/Roth and 25% to your Mortgage, and you are spending/Living off about 50%.

Now in retirement, you probably have your house paid off (-25%) and probably not contributing to 401K (-25%), and you are now getting Soc-Sec (+25%).
Heck, you could live the same as now for 25% of your salary(+SS)......
Now, you need to account for inflation, etc.
But, very Generrally thinking....


Heck, you could LIVE at an All Inclusive Resort in Mexico for 6 months a year for about $20K.

The people who want $200K a year during retirement (sounds Fun!), but what are you going to do with it?
House is paid off, not contributing to 401K/etc.
What are you spending $200K on?

Just food for thought...
For me it's shoot high. I just figure that kind of stress is better than if I hit too low. I'd rather figure out how to spend more money than the alternate. I know many others think differently and when I get to retirement and I am at say 75% instead of 100% I don't think I will stress out much over it.
 
See post #717 (about 81%). So 1 out of 5 die before 65 (1 out of 4 males). The Fin industry never tells you those numbers . . . just save, save, save and plan to live to 100.
So what do you do if you do live to be 95? I know people who are that old. My father is 90. My mother is 88. My father is a walking heart stent, but since they knew from the first attack he had issues they monitored it closely and he is at 90 which is incredible after a first heart attack around age 46 (chain smoker for years).
 

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