Retirement Targets

Have you looked into a Roth IRA for her? I’ve never been in that situation, but I’m pretty sure you can still do that.
Yea my wife stays home with the kids now and we put money into a Roth IRA for myself and one for her as well. Only requirements are that

a) one spouse has earned income
b) you file jointly

 
34.75 is not 40% short, only one quarter, so 25%. Its the way the calculate the service time. It's also why you see teachers starting the school year and then retiring after the first semester, because it gets them them that final quarter of service time. I have no clue why they calculate it the way they do, but that's why she will not get the full 35 years in. A lot of district pay you out in May of your last year so they do not have to make IPERS payments on you for the summer months. It saves them money.

I would also question her only clearing 2 grand a month. If she made in the mid 60s for at least five years, and has 34.75 years of service and is over the age of 55, so no penalty, she will be making more than that after taxes. I had the exact same years in the program, and mine was figured on a $58K average and took one of the lesser payouts the way it's structured and I clear $2575 after taxes a month. She would be clearing more at her salary level.
It said she would get roughly 24k a year. 65% of 65k is 42250. Divide 24000 by that and you get 56%. So I’m being generous when I say they cut 40%.
 
34.75 is not 40% short, only one quarter, so 25%. Its the way the calculate the service time. It's also why you see teachers starting the school year and then retiring after the first semester, because it gets them them that final quarter of service time. I have no clue why they calculate it the way they do, but that's why she will not get the full 35 years in. A lot of district pay you out in May of your last year so they do not have to make IPERS payments on you for the summer months. It saves them money.

I would also question her only clearing 2 grand a month. If she made in the mid 60s for at least five years, and has 34.75 years of service and is over the age of 55, so no penalty, she will be making more than that after taxes. I had the exact same years in the program, and mine was figured on a $58K average and took one of the lesser payouts the way it's structured and I clear $2575 after taxes a month. She would be clearing more at her salary level.
Because she can’t retire with 87.75. Age 55 plus 32.75 service. Not sure where you got 34.75.
 
No it didn’t take a lot of time. Had two mailings. One was user info and other was password.

I just think it’s bad that every other retirement and investment agency can meet with all their clients at minimum 1-2 times a year and send monthly correspondence (some are weekly) and IPERS can’t even meet with a whole school for an hour.
I am in PERA in Minnesota. They stopped automatic paper benefit updates (were only annual) before Iowa did. Now you have to opt out of electronic access and I'm not sure if you can even opt out anymore. Their quarterly newletter which used to be one fanfold glossy sheet front and back is now electronic too. In addition they only have a few "retirement planning" sessions around the state each year. There are generally 5-6 of them spread around the state each year.

So no, every other retirement and investment agency does not meet with their clients a minimum of 1-2 times a year and send monthly correspondence.
 
It said she would get roughly 24k a year. 65% of 65k is 42250. Divide 24000 by that and you get 56%. So I’m being generous when I say they cut 40%.
Take 65K, divide it by .6275 and you get $40,787.5 , that is pre tax per year. Now divide that number by 12, months in a year. That give you $3,398 a month pre tax. Depending on the plan she takes, she will either get that, which is plan 1 or less if she wants to be able to give money to her beneficiary. Like I said before, we took plan #5, which give each of us less money per month, mine was figured on an average of $58K a year and I clear after taxes $2557. Your wife is going to be closer to 3 grand than 2 a month, depending on which plan she takes. When she gets to age 62 and starts drawing her SS, between the two of them IPERS and SS she will be making more retired then what she cleared while teaching.

Your second part, she is not going to be able to retire and draw at age 55 because she will not have her rule of 88. That is their rules, your age, at least 55 years old and service time has to equal 88. They do not calculate the last 3 calendar months into a year, because she will not be teaching those that last year. Its why a lot of teachers end up with a half a year service time, so they do not end up with 35 years instead its 35.5 years. It has something to do with the their calendar does not match up equally with the school Calendar. I would guess the school year runs from September to May, while theirs runs from January to December. So she will have two choices, either teach one extra year, or teach one extra semester to get the required time in to make it to her rule of 88.
 
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Then how do independent agents meet at minimum once a year individually with each of their clients? For the money in fees they bring in, you think they could have one person meet with a town of 500-1000 in a day. That person could cover a county in a week.

To me, you are getting terrible customer service for a low return product.
Every additional cost reduces the benefit that can be paid to retirees. It is reasonable to expect there to be a few meetings spread out around regions of the state that people can attend. I think it is unreasonable to expect them to hit every town in every county and it would be just one more cost dragging down the benefits that members have earned.
 
Every additional cost reduces the benefit that can be paid to retirees. It is reasonable to expect there to be a few meetings spread out around regions of the state that people can attend. I think it is unreasonable to expect them to hit every town in every county and it would be just one more cost dragging down the benefits that members have earned.
If you go to the IPERS website they have a virtual meeting that you can sign up and ask questions every month. How much easier do they have to make it for some people. I can see why they do not go from school to school and city to city, unless it's mandatory, most people would not attend. I mean if I am in year 5 and 30 years away from retiring, why would I attend a meeting like that?
 
Take 65K, divide it by .6275 and you get $40,787.5
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Take 65K, divide it by .6275 and you get $40,787.5 , that is pre tax per year. Now divide that number by 12, months in a year. That give you $3,398 a month pre tax. Depending on the plan she takes, she will either get that, which is plan 1 or less if she wants to be able to give money to her beneficiary. Like I said before, we took plan #5, which give each of us less money per month, mine was figured on an average of $58K a year and I clear after taxes $2557. Your wife is going to be closer to 3 grand than 2 a month, depending on which plan she takes. When she gets to age 62 and starts drawing her SS, between the two of them IPERS and SS she will be making more retired then what she cleared while teaching.

Your second part, she is not going to be able to retire and draw at age 55 because she will not have her rule of 88. That is their rules, your age, at least 55 years old and service time has to equal 88. They do not calculate the last 3 calendar months into a year, because she will not be teaching those that last year. Its why a lot of teachers end up with a half a year service time, so they do not end up with 35 years instead its 35.5 years. It has something to do with the their calendar does not match up equally with the school Calendar. I would guess the school year runs from September to May, while theirs runs from January to December. So she will have two choices, either teach one extra year, or teach one extra semester to get the required time in to make it to her rule of 88.
You second part is basically my point. They sent her info saying when she hits rule of 88 at this point (which she would not be there) she would get 2k roughly. Why not put info when she actually meets the 88 instead of saying she is there but she isn’t and give a number that is way off?
 
You second part is basically my point. They sent her info saying when she hits rule of 88 at this point (which she would not be there) she would get 2k roughly. Why not put info when she actually meets the 88 instead of saying she is there but she isn’t and give a number that is way off?
Because the number they gave her, she does not have her rule of 88, only the required age of 55 to be able to draw. She is only looking at her age, and thinking "I can retire at age 55" not factoring in, that she will not have her rule of 88 at that time. Like I stated before, I know of only one person that actually retired at age 55, and he started back that fall, taking a half time position. Some do bounce out of the state, and teach in a neighboring state while collecting their IPERS in Iowa, so they are double dipping. Just have her teach an extra semester or a year, and she will be fine, it will actually add more time to her IPERS count.
In theory she could sub for one day in October, as long as the district pays subs into IPERS, you only need to work one day in a quarter to count it, as a full quarter. The draw back to that would be she would not be able to draw IPERS until after she had subbed that one day. So her first IPERS payment would be in November.
 
All this IPERS diatribe is exhausting...

Can we get back to discussing topics that impact more than ~0.1% of retirees, please??
A real consideration that needs to be looked at with semi recent legislation (not going politics just citing there have been changes) is it better to be a Roth or pre-tax? A Roth was a no brainer forever, but with Iowa not taxing retirement income and the federal level even having discussion of a reduced rate in the past, pre-tax may be getting more attractive
 
A real consideration that needs to be looked at with semi recent legislation (not going politics just citing there have been changes) is it better to be a Roth or pre-tax? A Roth was a no brainer forever, but with Iowa not taxing retirement income and the federal level even having discussion of a reduced rate in the past, pre-tax may be getting more attractive
My takeaway after years of hearing both sides....everyone is different. There are so many different factors that there isn't one right answer. For me, it's to retire with about 30% Roth/70% Traditional. One example, it's going to allow me to get ACA discounts from 60-65 by making my income look somewhat low.

Most people are going to be in a lower bracket when they retire.
For some people, RMD's could be an issue.
For some people, IRMMA could be an issue
Some people are thinking about what happens after they die.
Some people think rates will have to go up.
and on and on and on
 
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My takeaway after years of hearing both sides....everyone is different. There are so many different factors that there isn't one right answer. For me, it's to retire with about 30% Roth/70% Traditional. One example, it's going to allow me to get ACA discounts from 60-65 by making my income look somewhat low.

Most people are going to be in a lower bracket when they retire.
For some people, RMD's could be an issue.
For some people, IRMMA could be an issue
Some people are thinking about what happens after they die.
Some people think rates will have to go up.
and on and on and on
That is the reason I threw it out there. When Roth’s first hit, the prevalent statements were that everyone would be in a higher tax bracket when they retired. One of the biggest selling points. Now it’s kinda swung the other way.
 
That is the reason I threw it out there. When Roth’s first hit, the prevalent statements were that everyone would be in a higher tax bracket when they retired. One of the biggest selling points. Now it’s kinda swung the other way.
My tax advisor put it this way for us. You have all of your pension, 401k, regular IRA, 457, etc. that were pre-tax and you will be taxed on at withdrawal for your regular living expenses. You then have your Roth that was filled with post tax dollars for big irregular purchases like buying a car or taking a big trip. That way the out of the ordinary big withdrawal and spend doesn't bump you into a higher tax bracket that year.
 
That is the reason I threw it out there. When Roth’s first hit, the prevalent statements were that everyone would be in a higher tax bracket when they retired. One of the biggest selling points. Now it’s kinda swung the other way.
IMO the vast majority of people that are saving for retirement aren't eligible for the tax deduction for Trad IRA contributions anyway (combo of household income + being covered by a work retirement plan)
 
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My wife and I are 5 years away from early retirement, we've saved our whole working career, we have a good nest egg, we have a new house that will be paid off by the time we retire, no debt, emergency funds, I've met with financial planners, I use software, I subscribe to youtube channels, invest pretty conservatively now, etc. I'm always in constant fear that something bad will happen, preventing us from retiring.

Does anyone else feel the same way?
I'm with you on the low grade fear of a market collapse due to war / famine / bad government policy / etc

Fear of something bad happening to you personally is what insurance is for, outlier events that you can't cover yourself.

Probably won't help in your case since it's way more expensive the closer you are to retirement age, but people ~25-45 should look into term life with a same occupation disability rider.
 
My takeaway after years of hearing both sides....everyone is different. There are so many different factors that there isn't one right answer. For me, it's to retire with about 30% Roth/70% Traditional. One example, it's going to allow me to get ACA discounts from 60-65 by making my income look somewhat low.

Most people are going to be in a lower bracket when they retire.
For some people, RMD's could be an issue.
For some people, IRMMA could be an issue
Some people are thinking about what happens after they die.
Some people think rates will have to go up.
and on and on and on
I would double-check the ACA discounts-it's my understanding that those subsidies may be going away as a part of the recent "big beautiful bill". Health care coverage in the marketplace is going to get very interesting in the next few years.
 

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