Reasonable Football Expectations

We lost 3 starting LB's due to injury and a transfer that we were hoping to have up until just a couple months or so ago. We also lost several OL as well. And a few others due to injuries ending their careers.

After watching CPR totally **** down his leg in the K-State game, my expectations for the coming year if CPR were coach would be maybe 2 wins maximum. So I have higher expectations for CMC and staff then I would if CPR were still our coach. I am expecting 4 to 6 wins. That expectation is higher than any of the last 3 seasons under CPR.

I supported CPR all the way up until the K-State game. After that disaster, it was obvious that CPR needed to be fired. I am amazed at the job of recruiting done so far by CMC and the staff. There is no doubt in my mind that we would be struggling with recruits if CPR was still our coach.

Time for you to swallow the bitterness pill and support our new football coach, Coach Matt Campbell and his staff.

We lost 3 starting backers? Plus starters Harvey and Jones ? 5 backers were starting?

If you planned on either Knott or the other kid being a good backer then you and I have very different opinions about their quality. Too bad due to injuries etc. But that was the case under rhoads. They weren't being counted on to win games last year.

This staff lost Harris. Kind of all on them for that one. That one must have escaped you.

That last paragraph is pure gold. Whats to be bitter about? I'm not the one saying we have no talent which is a complete joke in order to cover for me wanting Rhoads fired for not winning over 3 games last year . You guys are the ones filling that role.

It's called covering your rear end. There is a ton of that going on right now by the critics of rhoads. Downplay expectations everyone. Worried about the consequences if ISU shows up next fall with talent and doesn't win over 3.

Rhoads should have won more games last year and we return more talent this year. Win
 
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We lost 3 starting backers? Plus starters Harvey and Jones ? 5 backers were starting?

If you planned on either Knott or the other kid being a good backer then you and I have very different opinions about their quality. Too bad due to injuries etc. But that was the case under rhoads. They weren't being counted on to win games last year.

This staff lost Harris. Kind of all on them for that one. That one must have escaped you.

That last paragraph is pure gold. Whats to be bitter about? I'm not the one saying we have no talent which is a complete joke in order to cover for me wanting Rhoads fired for not winning over 3 games last year . You guys are the ones filling that role.

It's called covering your rear end. There is a ton of that going on right now by the critics of rhoads. Downplay expectations everyone. Worried about the consequences if ISU shows up next fall with talent and doesn't win over 3.

Rhoads should have won more games last year and we return more talent this year. Win

We lost 3 LB's who started last year. Injuries to Peters and Knott limited their season. Yes, Harvey and Jones started some games. Yes, Jordan Harris quit. Harris graduated and transferred. Harris had difficulties while CPR was here and sat out a redshirt year because of those difficulties. Seems to have had trouble grasping a new defense.

No one is saying that we have no talent. We have some talent. We also have some units that are also pretty weak such as Linebacker and also the Offensive Line. That is a reality. And I am expecting Matt Campbell to increase the talent level on the field. Campbell has us recruiting at a higher level than CPR did already. A Storm is brewing.

I am expecting from 4 to 6 wins. 4 wins would be more games than CPR won in any of the last 3 seasons. I am all in for Matt Campbell. The K-State game was the final straw for me after giving CPR my full support the entire season up until then.

Losing a game when you have the lead by a TD, have the ball, a first down, and the other team has 1 timeout, and there is only 90 seconds left........and you lose in regulation. We did not score in the second half and had a 35-14 lead at halftime. Enough.

It was time for CPR to go. What were the reasons we have for winning 3 games, 2 games, and 3 games, the last 3 seasons?

I leave you with the Depth Charts for Defense and Offense for the coming year and some analysis from WideRightNattyLite.

http://www.widerightnattylite.com/2...g-the-iowa-state-football-depth-chart-defense

http://www.widerightnattylite.com/2...g-the-iowa-state-football-depth-chart-offense
 
You know very little about football. Thats obvious from the post above and your previous post. Back up running back and tight end? Lol

Every coach should be held accountable to win at least to the talent on their team. Devoid of talent? Yeah..not really

Rhoads with less talent was expected to win many more games. Each year is different doesn't matter how long the system has been in place.

See Iowa for easy evidence of that. Or Texas or any other school.

Fact: if Rhoads were still here you would expect the same talent to win 6 games. It's comical you even mention expectations when you have none for the coach that's supposed to win more than Rhoads.

So no expectations is high expectations? Got it.

Boy I better go tell Warren and Lazard and Tucker and so many others that they just don't have talent. Don't mind the stats or facts. Too funny.

RB and TE...and the entire defense. You keep forgetting to address the fact that you have no problem with any level of our defense, even though the same players + Dale Pierson ranked near the bottom of the entire FBS last year.

I never said "devoid of talent", I said void of depth (thanks to the incompetence in recruiting and development by the previous staff). There is a difference. Lazard and Warren and Tucker are very talented, but last time I checked we need 22 starters not 3. And injuries happen; we have zero snaps at QB behind Lanning, single digit carries by the entire RB corp, around 25 total starts on the offensive line with all but one from Campos. Yeah, we may have some game experience and depth issues...

Each year is different, and it does matter how long a system has been in place. Flip Rhoads' season records around, with him going 3-9 in year one and 7-6 with a bowl game in year 7. He would absolutely, 100% still be here, because he would be proving that his system could lead to increased success in the program. Fans would be ridiculously happy and optimistic about the future and what CPR could do. But he certainly showed that his way did not work, despite your so called "turn around year one." But from the standards you are holding Campbell too, you probably expected nothing less of CPR in year one after what Chizik accomplished.

You are basing expectations of the football program at ISU on Iowa and Texas, schools that have actually had sustained success?

Fact: I would not expect 6 wins from Rhoads this year because of the talent; the past 3 years show that 6 wins is far above any reasonable expectations. I would expect improvement from a coach in what would have been his 8th year, not continued poor recruiting, poor player development, the inability to make adjustments at half or respond to adjustments of the other team, and poor coaching decisions. Think about this: if we win at K-State last year, a game we had a 99.9% chance of winning with 91 seconds left despite not scoring in the second half, CPR is still here. He didn't need 6 wins, he needed to show improvement in the program.

I have almost no expectations for this year regarding wins; I only expect to see competent head coaching, our players put in the position to succeed, and for Campbell to identify players he can work with that fit in his system and fit what he wants to do. I have high expectation in terms of wins for Campbell long-term. He should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas no matter what; hell, CPR lost to UNI and Kansas with his own recruits. Other than that, I want to see player development and actual coaching.

You say that I'm ignoring stats and facts: find me a stat that implies our defense last year was full of all this talent you claim Campbell is inheriting.
 
When I think of what happened at K-State and the way that Toledo's regular season ended with loss to Western Michigan knocking them out of the MAC title game, it makes me think there was divine intervention behind Coach Matt Campbell becoming our Head Coach.

Other than D Up, I really don't see anyone wishing that CPR was still our coach. Fanbase seems excited. Looking forward to see what Campbell has in store for our entrance. Jack Trice will become a feared place to play.
 
Meh, we are all fans. We are emotional. I'm not a big fan of meltdown threads that go into total bashing of the team and coaches, but at least it shows we still have passion. Personally, I'm kind of torn. Expectations aside, I'm not sure I wouldn't be more worried if we all fell into a "It's acceptable to lose" mentality. I went to school here in the early 90s. I've seen the worst of what low or no expectations brings. I'll take the overly passionate/meltdown fanbase any time over what I experienced here in '94.

Now, there is that thin line between passion and stupidity. Let's just hope we can stay on the good side of that. I don't think a lot of people are expecting us to light the college football world on fire this year, but I also don't expect everyone to just accept losses as the norm.
 
You know very little about football. Thats obvious from the post above and your previous post. Back up running back and tight end? Lol

Every coach should be held accountable to win at least to the talent on their team. Devoid of talent? Yeah..not really

Rhoads with less talent was expected to win many more games. Each year is different doesn't matter how long the system has been in place.

See Iowa for easy evidence of that. Or Texas or any other school.

Fact: if Rhoads were still here you would expect the same talent to win 6 games.
It's comical you even mention expectations when you have none for the coach that's supposed to win more than Rhoads.

So no expectations is high expectations? Got it.

Boy I better go tell Warren and Lazard and Tucker and so many others that they just don't have talent. Don't mind the stats or facts. Too funny.

You keep saying this but considering you're the only one thinking it I think it's OK for you to stop mentioning it
 
Meh, we are all fans. We are emotional. I'm not a big fan of meltdown threads that go into total bashing of the team and coaches, but at least it shows we still have passion. Personally, I'm kind of torn. Expectations aside, I'm not sure I wouldn't be more worried if we all fell into a "It's acceptable to lose" mentality. I went to school here in the early 90s. I've seen the worst of what low or no expectations brings. I'll take the overly passionate/meltdown fanbase any time over what I experienced here in '94.

Now, there is that thin line between passion and stupidity. Let's just hope we can stay on the good side of that. I don't think a lot of people are expecting us to light the college football world on fire this year, but I also don't expect everyone to just accept losses as the norm.

I went to ISU during the Earle Bruce Era. There was definitely a culture surrounding the Iowa State Football Program. Love what Campbell is doing so far. The Jack will be packed.
 
RB and TE...and the entire defense. You keep forgetting to address the fact that you have no problem with any level of our defense, even though the same players + Dale Pierson ranked near the bottom of the entire FBS last year.

I never said "devoid of talent", I said void of depth (thanks to the incompetence in recruiting and development by the previous staff). There is a difference. Lazard and Warren and Tucker are very talented, but last time I checked we need 22 starters not 3. And injuries happen; we have zero snaps at QB behind Lanning, single digit carries by the entire RB corp, around 25 total starts on the offensive line with all but one from Campos. Yeah, we may have some game experience and depth issues...

Each year is different, and it does matter how long a system has been in place. Flip Rhoads' season records around, with him going 3-9 in year one and 7-6 with a bowl game in year 7. He would absolutely, 100% still be here, because he would be proving that his system could lead to increased success in the program. Fans would be ridiculously happy and optimistic about the future and what CPR could do. But he certainly showed that his way did not work, despite your so called "turn around year one." But from the standards you are holding Campbell too, you probably expected nothing less of CPR in year one after what Chizik accomplished.

You are basing expectations of the football program at ISU on Iowa and Texas, schools that have actually had sustained success?

Fact: I would not expect 6 wins from Rhoads this year because of the talent; the past 3 years show that 6 wins is far above any reasonable expectations. I would expect improvement from a coach in what would have been his 8th year, not continued poor recruiting, poor player development, the inability to make adjustments at half or respond to adjustments of the other team, and poor coaching decisions. Think about this: if we win at K-State last year, a game we had a 99.9% chance of winning with 91 seconds left despite not scoring in the second half, CPR is still here. He didn't need 6 wins, he needed to show improvement in the program.

I have almost no expectations for this year regarding wins; I only expect to see competent head coaching, our players put in the position to succeed, and for Campbell to identify players he can work with that fit in his system and fit what he wants to do. I have high expectation in terms of wins for Campbell long-term. He should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas no matter what; hell, CPR lost to UNI and Kansas with his own recruits. Other than that, I want to see player development and actual coaching.

You say that I'm ignoring stats and facts: find me a stat that implies our defense last year was full of all this talent you claim Campbell is inheriting.

My bad on the "Devoid of talent" comment. I don't like it when people misquote me and I did that to you. My apologies.

It's really pretty simple. If you thought Rhoads should have won more than 3 games last year ( and every one of you did no matter what you say now ) then expecting less from the new coach with more talent is covering your rear end. The new coach Campbell is supposed to be better than Rhoads, right?

Iowa states defensive statistics are skewed from playing the best offenses in the nation and the toughest schedule in the nation (at least top 5). Their defense was good enough to put them in position to win at least 3 more games and if you don't expect it to be better then I can't help you. Every team graduates players. Teams are usually better based on returning experience and players and ISU has plenty of that. One of the best returning dlines and secondary for ISU in a long time.

I don't care who you are or how much you want to cover for your previous comments about Rhoads and wins. Any ISU coach should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas this season with a couple more wins against an easier than usual schedule.

BTW anyone pointing out previous losses to UNI or NDSU etc may want to notice we fired that coach. Paid someone more to not lose those games. God I hope it's not acceptable to lose those games. Why in the hell didn't we hire some high school coach then for 10% of the money?
 
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My bad on the "Devoid of talent" comment. I don't like it when people misquote me and I did that to you. My apologies.

It's really pretty simple. If you thought Rhoads should have won more than 3 games last year ( and every one of you did no matter what you say now ) then expecting less from the new coach with more talent is covering your rear end. The new coach Campbell is supposed to be better than Rhoads, right?

Iowa states defensive statistics are skewed from playing the best offenses in the nation and the toughest schedule in the nation (at least top 5). Their defense was good enough to put them in position to win at least 3 more games and if you don't expect it to be better then I can't help you. Every team graduates players. Teams are usually better based on returning experience and players and ISU has plenty of that. One of the best returning dlines and secondary for ISU in a long time.

I don't care who you are or how much you want to cover for your previous comments about Rhoads and wins. Any ISU coach should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas this season with a couple more wins against an easier than usual schedule.

BTW anyone pointing out previous losses to UNI or NDSU etc may want to notice we fired that coach. Paid someone more to not lose those games. God I hope it's not acceptable to lose those games. Why in the he'll didn't we hire some high school coach then for a 10% of the money?

Lol, you don't know me very well.
 
My bad on the "Devoid of talent" comment. I don't like it when people misquote me and I did that to you. My apologies.

It's really pretty simple. If you thought Rhoads should have won more than 3 games last year ( and every one of you did no matter what you say now ) then expecting less from the new coach with more talent is covering your rear end. The new coach Campbell is supposed to be better than Rhoads, right?

Iowa states defensive statistics are skewed from playing the best offenses in the nation and the toughest schedule in the nation (at least top 5). Their defense was good enough to put them in position to win at least 3 more games and if you don't expect it to be better then I can't help you. Every team graduates players. Teams are usually better based on returning experience and players and ISU has plenty of that. One of the best returning dlines and secondary for ISU in a long time.

I don't care who you are or how much you want to cover for your previous comments about Rhoads and wins. Any ISU coach should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas this season with a couple more wins against an easier than usual schedule.

BTW anyone pointing out previous losses to UNI or NDSU etc may want to notice we fired that coach. Paid someone more to not lose those games. God I hope it's not acceptable to lose those games. Why in the hell didn't we hire some high school coach then for 10% of the money?

Not sure that we have more talent than last year. DE will not be as good. Dale Pierson is a really big loss IMO. Demond Tucker is back as well as Aka. So I don't see the dropoff there. Linebacker is not a good unit. Harvey is good but young. Kane Seeley is not the answer but might be a starter. Really need youngsters to step up. WideRight has the LB unit rated as a D.

Secondary is our strength. Cotton Moya is a stud. Peavey is young but pretty good. Looks like Wiltz could be beating out Tribune. At the other safety, it looks like the Duke Transfer Everett Edwards could be a likely starter.

On offense, Lanning is still developing and we have no backup that has taken snaps. Unit is rated a C by WideRight. RB is our best unit because of Warren. We have no experienced backup behind him. Receivers should be okay. Loss of Wesley hurts, but it sounds like he had some issues. Lazard is a stud. TE Unit is rated a D by WideRight and the OL is rated a D as well. Manning is going to have to mold a couple decent players and some inexperienced youngsters into a decent OL unit.

Looking at our roster, I would say that we have some talent as well as a lot of question marks. Expecting Iowa State to surpass our win totals of the last 3 seasons. Minimum of 4 wins....to possible 6 wins. If CPR was our coach with the same talent, I would expect 2 wins.....possible 4 wins. Watched CPR lose too many games the last few years we should have won.
 
I expect at least 4 wins and will never be okay with ANY loss, but hope needs to be tempered with reality. I don't expect these guys to win every game, but for a long time I've waited for the day when they were at least capable of it from a talent standpoint. I don't believe we are there quite yet, but I see that day coming with this staff. More importantly, I think this staff believes it, and is getting their players to buy into the attitude that they can beat anybody on any given day.
 
My bad on the "Devoid of talent" comment. I don't like it when people misquote me and I did that to you. My apologies.

It's really pretty simple. If you thought Rhoads should have won more than 3 games last year ( and every one of you did no matter what you say now ) then expecting less from the new coach with more talent is covering your rear end. The new coach Campbell is supposed to be better than Rhoads, right?

Iowa states defensive statistics are skewed from playing the best offenses in the nation and the toughest schedule in the nation (at least top 5). Their defense was good enough to put them in position to win at least 3 more games and if you don't expect it to be better then I can't help you. Every team graduates players. Teams are usually better based on returning experience and players and ISU has plenty of that. One of the best returning dlines and secondary for ISU in a long time.

I don't care who you are or how much you want to cover for your previous comments about Rhoads and wins. Any ISU coach should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas this season with a couple more wins against an easier than usual schedule.

BTW anyone pointing out previous losses to UNI or NDSU etc may want to notice we fired that coach. Paid someone more to not lose those games. God I hope it's not acceptable to lose those games. Why in the hell didn't we hire some high school coach then for 10% of the money?

Shouldn't you be out recruiting, or revising SEC game film or coaching defensive backs or something right now, Paul?
 
Meh, we are all fans. We are emotional. I'm not a big fan of meltdown threads that go into total bashing of the team and coaches, but at least it shows we still have passion. Personally, I'm kind of torn. Expectations aside, I'm not sure I wouldn't be more worried if we all fell into a "It's acceptable to lose" mentality. I went to school here in the early 90s. I've seen the worst of what low or no expectations brings. I'll take the overly passionate/meltdown fanbase any time over what I experienced here in '94.

Now, there is that thin line between passion and stupidity. Let's just hope we can stay on the good side of that. I don't think a lot of people are expecting us to light the college football world on fire this year, but I also don't expect everyone to just accept losses as the norm.

OP is asking for "Reasonable" expectations. This one might be pushing it. :jimlad:
 
My bad on the "Devoid of talent" comment. I don't like it when people misquote me and I did that to you. My apologies.

It's really pretty simple. If you thought Rhoads should have won more than 3 games last year ( and every one of you did no matter what you say now ) then expecting less from the new coach with more talent is covering your rear end. The new coach Campbell is supposed to be better than Rhoads, right?

Iowa states defensive statistics are skewed from playing the best offenses in the nation and the toughest schedule in the nation (at least top 5). Their defense was good enough to put them in position to win at least 3 more games and if you don't expect it to be better then I can't help you. Every team graduates players. Teams are usually better based on returning experience and players and ISU has plenty of that. One of the best returning dlines and secondary for ISU in a long time.

I don't care who you are or how much you want to cover for your previous comments about Rhoads and wins. Any ISU coach should beat UNI, SJSU, and Kansas this season with a couple more wins against an easier than usual schedule.

BTW anyone pointing out previous losses to UNI or NDSU etc may want to notice we fired that coach. Paid someone more to not lose those games. God I hope it's not acceptable to lose those games. Why in the hell didn't we hire some high school coach then for 10% of the money?

Losing those games is not acceptable; never said it was. Expecting 3 wins is not the same as accepting 9 losses. We could very well win 1 or 2 more, but I'm not going into the season expecting it. I fully expect Campbell to have this program in a much different place in 4 years, and as he builds the program my expectations will change as well. Much like my expectations of CPR became less and less as we learned more about his ability to run a program.
 
Case in point a day or so after creating this thread, Caleb Chandler decommits. I told you guys not to remove your nutcups.
 
Reasonable expectations are for losers. There's a storm brewing!

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About the only inexcusable thing that could happen is a loss to UNI.

Anything else is fine. I am just looking for something different than what I've seen lately. Running the same freaking offense as the rest of the conference with the 6th tier guys from Texas wasn't suppose to work. I'm also hoping for a real Defense. Wally was great but that defense never felt right until the last season and even then, it wasn't great.
 
It's July with a dynamic new coach who's won an offseason in spectacular fashion.

Now is absolutely not the time to be reasonable. 9 wins and a top 25 rating at year end.
 

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