Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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I’m not arguing new big 12 is the best fb conference. That’s a voice in your head. I even said I think 5-11 might be average record vs SEC and somehow voice in your head still crafted that.

I would argue Big 12 has been pretty clearly the best basketball conference top to bottom quite easily since the minute you took the worst program in history off its hands. Not a recent development even though it took a decade for the media to acknowledge it.

My point is since the Big Ten and SEC are god tier in football (skeptical the middle and bottom won’t develop losing mentality), they should act like it and just beat other teams the way Power Two basketball has already been doing. Beat them on the field, not in closed door meetings then lie that a three person meeting is impossible.
No voices in my head here. Also I don’t think anyone would mind beating them on the field. I’d rather have another P4 game on the schedule than some G5 blowout. Basketball has enough games that it’s easily doable football is a bit harder but I’m still 100% down
 

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No voices in my head here. Also I don’t think anyone would mind beating them on the field. I’d rather have another P4 game on the schedule than some G5 blowout. Basketball has enough games that it’s easily doable football is a bit harder but I’m still 100% down

Seems like your commissioner disagrees with you or is having a secret sex affair with Sankey.
 
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Seems like your commissioner disagrees with you or is having a secret sex affair with Sankey.
If they schedule with the SEC that’s another P4 game, the only difference is it’s not against the Big12. I would much rather have the Big12 matchup than the SEC every year.
 

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If they schedule with the SEC that’s another P4 game, the only difference is it’s not against the Big12. I would much rather have the Big12 matchup than the SEC every year.

I’m not arguing about SOS, I’m arguing about collusion. Why else have a two commissioner meeting and lie that all the other commissioners were welcome to it after the fact?
 

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I’m not arguing about SOS, I’m arguing about collusion. Why else have a two commissioner meeting and lie that all the other commissioners were welcome to it after the fact?
I think you’re going way off of the original topic here but I’m assuming it’s a combination of arrogance, money and wanting to set premier matchups for media deals.

The lie was stupid and I’m assuming your commish pointed that out
 

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I think you’re going way off of the original topic here but I’m assuming it’s a combination of arrogance, money and wanting to set premier matchups for media deals.

The lie was stupid and I’m assuming your commish pointed that out

It’s the realignment thread.

Any discussion besides Sankey lying that only two humans can have a meeting is fully off topic.
 

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Grand Canyon to the Mountain West like 15 minutes after they accepted an invite to the WCC.

Don't know how much y'all care about low/mid major realignment but the WAC is dead and there's about to be a mad scramble that may end up splitting up the MVFC.
 
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I have zero issues with a Big12 vs Big Ten matchup. That’s not going to get you those ranked matchups the way you want them though and if they do something like basketball where they rig that before the season to the best plays the best I’m not sure you would be happy with the results.

Also for the millionth time cfb is not the NFL anytime anyone tries to bring up things that they should be doing like the NFL is just not going to work because there has never for an instant been parity in college football.

I might not be happy with the results, but let it be proven on the field and not the board room!

CFB has never had parity, I will agree with that. But it should be the goal to create structures where CFB moves toward parity. The NFL does it with the draft, scheduling, free agency, media revenue sharing and salary cap.

The issue is the Big10 & SEC are trying to move college football farther away from parity on a competitive balance spectrum. And IMO it will stunt the growth of CFB and it's possible we will see decline in CFB attendance and ratings over the next 7-12 years. And eventually they will try to do the same with college hoops.

The other reality is it might not matter. Realignment isn't done and the Big10/SEC can just continue to poach teams from the Big12 & ACC to the point where what's left of both conferences will put them on par with the MWC and AAC.
 
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I might not be happy with the results, but let it be proven on the field and not the board room!

CFB has never had parity, I will agree with that. But it should be the goal to create structures where CFB moves toward parity. The NFL does it with the draft, scheduling, free agency, media revenue sharing and salary cap.

The issue is the Big10 & SEC are trying to move college football farther away from parity on a competitive balance spectrum. And IMO it will stunt the growth of CFB and it's possible we will see decline in CFB attendance and ratings over the next 7-12 years. And eventually they will try to do the same with college hoops.

The other reality is it might not matter. Realignment isn't done and the Big10/SEC can just continue to poach teams from the Big12 & ACC to the point where what's left of both conferences will put them on par with the MWC and AAC.
I agree with most of this but moving towards parity is never going to happen if it hasn’t ever existed in over a century of college football.

Cfb attendance is already down due to society issues even for the blue bloods but as long as the ratings hold the money keeps flowing in and the ratings have been pretty good.

While it would be stupid of me to say realignment is done I don’t think teams from the Big12 and to a lesser extent the ACC are in danger of getting poached anytime soon. FSU was driving the ACC dissolving bus and they have never really had a home to go to and frankly the Big10 and SEC shouldn’t want them.
 

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Grand Canyon to the Mountain West like 15 minutes after they accepted an invite to the WCC.

Don't know how much y'all care about low/mid major realignment but the WAC is dead and there's about to be a mad scramble that may end up splitting up the MVFC.
It's disappointing, but I have to wonder what CFB will look like at public universities like UNI once all the employee status/NIL lawsuits are finalized.

Also got to be tough chasing the $ at that level. I believe UNI is only playing its 3rd home game this season on Saturday. Tough for students to get amped up about the football season.
 

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It's disappointing, but I have to wonder what CFB will look like at public universities like UNI once all the employee status/NIL lawsuits are finalized.

Also got to be tough chasing the $ at that level. I believe UNI is only playing its 3rd home game this season on Saturday. Tough for students to get amped up about the football season.
The vast majority of FCS, probably everyone not named xDSU or Montanas, is going to opt out of football revenue sharing and stay with the same traditional scholarship model. We already know that the FBS games are going away.

I think that will actually be good for the FCS. It was designed as a cost controlled level to still play DI football and a few bad actors that are only in FCS due to geography have ruined the financial model. Ridiculous that there are schools spending $12-15M on FCS football. That's the exact opposite of what it was designed for.

As for UNI this year specifically, this is the last year of awful schedules left by the previous AD and the new AD seems to know what she's doing. Will probably have 7 home games next year. You're exactly right that it's impossible to have success when you never play home games.
 

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I agree with most of this but moving towards parity is never going to happen if it hasn’t ever existed in over a century of college football.

Cfb attendance is already down due to society issues even for the blue bloods but as long as the ratings hold the money keeps flowing in and the ratings have been pretty good.

While it would be stupid of me to say realignment is done I don’t think teams from the Big12 and to a lesser extent the ACC are in danger of getting poached anytime soon. FSU was driving the ACC dissolving bus and they have never really had a home to go to and frankly the Big10 and SEC shouldn’t want them.
More realignment in the near term will be dictated by ESPN’s decision on their 2027 ACC option that is due by FEB 2025. If they don’t pick up the option, the ACC will be immediately poached to some extent.
 

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More realignment in the near term will be dictated by ESPN’s decision on their 2027 ACC option that is due by FEB 2025. If they don’t pick up the option, the ACC will be immediately poached to some extent.
Agreed, I think we just differ in that I believe ESPN will pick up the option and you are 100% sure they won’t
 
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I’m not arguing about SOS, I’m arguing about collusion. Why else have a two commissioner meeting and lie that all the other commissioners were welcome to it after the fact?
And their lawyers outnumbered the administrators.
 
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Agreed, I think we just differ in that I believe ESPN will pick up the option and you are 100% sure they won’t
Actually I think it is more likely that a settlement will be reached to move the ACC GOR expiration date from 2036 to the 2030 timeframe to align with expiration of B10 and B12 contracts and ESPN’s and Fox’s master plan for additional P2 consolidation.

Hopefully, a hybrid of the CST and Rudy initiatives will nip that BS in the bud by the end of the decade even it takes Fed intervention to prevent 25+ more P4 schools being destroyed in addition to Oregon State and Washington State.
 
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Actually I think it is more likely that a settlement will be reached to move the ACC GOR expiration date from 2036 to the 2030 timeframe to align with expiration of B10 and B12 contracts and ESPN’s and Fox’s master plan for additional P2 consolidation.

Hopefully, a hybrid of the CST and Rudy initiatives will nip that BS in the bud by the end of the decade even it takes Fed intervention.
That’s a hard pivot from your previous takes. The first paragraph at least
 

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Not really based on prior reports of a settlement already being negotiated in advance of ESPN’s February decision on the 2027 option.
I mean you were adamant for a long time ESPN was dropping it due to collusion and purposefully wanting to break up the ACC and Big12. You were pretty relentless about it.

ESPN is in just to dire of financial straits to turn down that steal of a deal and have been for awhile