Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Surely someone will come up with a cool nickname for the 12-team CFP. I read that Al Maguire came up with "The Big Dance" for the basketball tournament.
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BCS ranking was fine using 1/3 computer average. The only problem was it was feeding a 2 team playoff.
Perhaps more importantly the other 2/3 of the BCS ranking was hundreds of human voices. Not 12 people where over 2/3 of them are obvious Big Ten/SEC homers and criteria that changes wildly week to week and year to year. Yeah some of the members of the Harris poll had no clue what was going on, but they were a few voices out of many. It'll be a miracle if we ever get something as unbiased as the BCS ranking again.
Of course if the collusion meetings with SEC/Big Ten are about ending non conference football you'd be right that the computer rankings become somewhat meaningless. I tend to think that's the goal when Sankey lies that it's impossible for more than two humans to have a meeting. Why else would somebody make up such an outrageous lie?
The phone call the SEC or Big 10 ADs worry about the most? That would be from a Big 12, ACC, Mountain West or PAC 12 conference AD asking to schedule a home and away game.
Why would they worry about a call they won’t take?
No different than what happened with the 4 team playoff. Games in September will matter if there are more inter-conference games. As fans, why shouldn't we push for Big10 vs. Big 12 challenge type events instead of a Big10/SEC scheduling agreement? What the Big10 & SEC are proposing is monopolistic! It's constricting the sport, not growing the sport.
Conference Challenges have been great for college hoops. Think about it, there have been less than 6 non-conference games matching 2 ranked teams each of the last 2 seasons. Big10 & SEC leaders need to learn some lessons from the NFL, where parity is important. And even going all the way back to the NFL/AFL merger were the AFL was considered an equal in # of playoff teams. And an AFL team was guaranteed a Super Bowl spot from year 1.
Non-conference games SOS would be a weighted criteria- along with conference record, conference SOS and other criteria. In your "teams grow" example, if a team dramatically improves over the course of the season, they would end up being a top team in their league. Not a borderline playoff team with a 7-2 conference record & 9-3 overall.
I have zero issues with a Big12 vs Big Ten matchup. That’s not going to get you those ranked matchups the way you want them though and if they do something like basketball where they rig that before the season to the best plays the best I’m not sure you would be happy with the results.
Also for the millionth time cfb is not the NFL anytime anyone tries to bring up things that they should be doing like the NFL is just not going to work because there has never for an instant been parity in college football.
With today's standings & the current AP Poll, here's what we might be looking at in a 2025 B1G-XII challenge:
Oregon (-7) - ISU
Penn State (-8.5) - BYU
Ohio State (-14.5) - KSU
Indiana(-9) - Colorado
Illinois - Cincy (-2.5)
Wisconsin (-7.5) - Texas Tech
Nebraska - Arizona State (-0.5)
MSU - TCU (-3)
Iowa (-6) - WVU
Rutgers (-0.5) - 'Zona
Washington - UCF (-1.5)
Minnesota - Kansas (-1)
Maryland (even) - Utah
Michigan (-1.5) - Baylor
Northwestern (-3) - Houston
USC (-9.5) - OSU
Per one of my favorite CFB power ranking sources (KFord), the Big XII would be favored on a neutral field in 5 of the 16 matchups (Cincy, ASU, TCU, UCF, Kansas), all of whom are favored by a field goal or less. I REALLY don't think it'd be pretty for the good guys.
On another note, does any conference still want Florida State? Only kidding....I think.
After a few years it depends where the narrative is. Winning 1/3 of the games might destroy their narrative. Have you listened to Sankey? He thinks they are closer to the Chiefs than the ACC and Big 12.
Nobody wanted them in the first place so I feel like the answer just went from 'no' to 'lol no'.
Sankey has nothing to do with the B1G, and I believe the SEC is significantly stronger throughout than the B1G, so you've got me curious...
UGA (-11) - ISU
Texas (-17) - BYU
UT (-7.5) - KSU
LSU (-9) - CU
TAMU (-9) - Cincy
Bama (-21) - Tech
Ole Miss (-19.5) - ASU
Mizzou (-6) - TCU
Vandy - WVU (-1)
Arky (-7) - 'Zona
Florida (-4.5) - UCF
SCAR (-7) - Kansas
OU (-4.5) - Utah
UK (-2) - Baylor
Auburn (-10.5) - Houston
Miss St - OSU (-4.5)
WVU favored by 1 over Vandy and OSU favored by 4.5 over Miss St, but everything is else is pretty heavily SEC including 7 games where the SEC rep is favored by 2+ scores.
I think we’d win about a third. Something like 5-11 on average over time.
I’m saying I don’t know if that would shatter or reinforce the narrative they’re openly colluding to build. Unless you believe them a three human meeting is impossible.
With our basketball challenges we regularly paired our worst teams (9/10) with the middle of larger conferences while they sat out their worst teams and still generally beat them all. It didn’t create any narrative that the inferior conferences should lose ncaa tournament access, but we weren’t holding any closed door meetings trying to do that and never had the power to even suggest it.
Little different as basketball has wild swings from year to year and there are 5x as many teams getting invited. Plus you can’t tell me those matchups didn’t make you think the Big12 was the best basketball conference
You're comparing apples and oranges.
The CFP isn't an NCAA championship and isn't run like one.
I’m not arguing new big 12 is the best fb conference or that the SEC isn’t clear cut #1. That’s a voice in your head. I even said I think 5-11 might be average record vs SEC and somehow voice in your head still crafted that.
I would argue Big 12 has been pretty clearly the best basketball conference top to bottom quite easily since the minute you took the worst program in history off its hands. Not a recent development even though it took a decade for the media to acknowledge it.
My point is since the Big Ten and SEC are god tier in football (skeptical the middle and bottom won’t develop losing mentality), they should act like it and just beat other teams the way Power Two basketball has already been doing. Beat them on the field, not in closed door meetings then lie that a three person meeting is impossible.
