Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Nothing ends the Big 12 faster than taking away from the interests of the higher valued schools, particularly Texas.

If you’re asking questions about LHN, the biggest one is what if A&M would have accepted the invitation to be included, as was the original plan. A&M stays, and then UT doesn’t have to move because A&M is using the SEC brand against UT

But in the end it wouldn’t matter much. The fundamentals support consolidation. The networks make more paying for the schools of value all in one or two conferences, rather than paying 12 schools to get 3 or 4

At best, maybe the P5 survives another round if we increase inequality, but eventually the top schools will be lured away imo
Agreed. Or what if all the B12 schools agreed to a network, which was the first option.
 

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I understood the "middle man" to be a PE firm and their near-term cash infusion to meet near term 2025 House obligations.

That PE firm would not necessarily be the governance arm of a 70 team Super League IMO but I do agree with you that, at a minimum, a new Super League Czar would have to be appointed who would not be directly part of the NCAA but would negotiate/administer new TV deals, including CFP, for the 70 team Super League, administer/allocate the TV revenue pool and perhaps administer NIL governance as well. The NCAA is already in the process of soliciting bids for NIL governance under the terms of House with PWC being rumored as one of the bidders for that.
Yeah, a guy with $9B of PE money behind him would own the room (literally lol), even with all the Gene Smiths and Greg Sankeys and other assorted Latin American meat packing glitterati.

That person would have the juice to create a governance and enforcement arm and make it into a real sport. You need a "president" in that you need someone to preside over the meetings, keep things moving forwards, and occasionally twist arms to force compromise.

Heck, maybe they can even find a way to bring in the G5 schools and protect them somehow too. They wouldn't get the same share, but they don't now either. You could at least keep them involved and alive.
 

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If you give a mouse a cookie. They left for a conference that has always had equal revenue sharing, Nebraska left and took a lesser share for years. So again, if you can’t see how unequal revenue sharing caused massive problems I don’t know what to tell you.
We don’t see it because it’s not the case. Again, they already had a higher share in the Big 12, so taking less under equal revenue sharing wasn’t going to keep them there. They didn’t go to the Big 10 because they had equal revenue sharing, they went there because even with surrendering dollars for years they saw they would make more money in the long run.

Saying unequal revenue sharing caused the breakup is saying that had the Big 12 had equal revenue sharing Nebraska, A&M, UT and OU wouldn’t have left for better offers, despite making even less money. That’s a completely illogical view.
 

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We don’t see it because it’s not the case. Again, they already had a higher share in the Big 12, so taking less under equal revenue sharing wasn’t going to keep them there. They didn’t go to the Big 10 because they had equal revenue sharing, they went there because even with surrendering dollars for years they saw they would make more money in the long run.

Saying unequal revenue sharing caused the breakup is saying that had the Big 12 had equal revenue sharing Nebraska, A&M, UT and OU wouldn’t have left for better offers, despite making even less money. That’s a completely illogical view.

This is all true, but there was also some hypocrisy from A&M/Nebraska on the way out when they tried to rationalize their reasons for leaving publicly. They could have given a more measured and true public response like you just outlined, but at times they did say they liked the equal revenue sharing while ignoring they had voted for unequal revenue and even voted to create the LHN.

At some level they were kind of fooling themselves they were the big dog in the Big 12. The clock was ticking from the time it was formed with that mindset, especially for Nebraska with a population almost half of Iowa's.
 
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We don’t see it because it’s not the case. Again, they already had a higher share in the Big 12, so taking less under equal revenue sharing wasn’t going to keep them there. They didn’t go to the Big 10 because they had equal revenue sharing, they went there because even with surrendering dollars for years they saw they would make more money in the long run.

Saying unequal revenue sharing caused the breakup is saying that had the Big 12 had equal revenue sharing Nebraska, A&M, UT and OU wouldn’t have left for better offers, despite making even less money. That’s a completely illogical view.
When you have unequal revenue sharing you automatically put schools, fans, and public perception that certain teams are just better. There is a reason there has been a lot of chaos in the big 12 that you haven’t seen in other conferences and a large part of that comes from that perception which unequal revenue sharing only highlights.

It’s pretty difficult to go back and change one aspect of the past without it having multipule ripples. Even if you’re correct and the teams would have bolted even earlier the financial world of cfb had much more parity then between conferences and it could have possibly been better or to your point could have made things worse even faster.

For a very long time the P5 were very equal in media valuation and only one conference had unequal revenue sharing. Now it’s possible (maybe even probable) that Texas would just cause chaos no matter what but unequal revenue sharing is just the conference saying they agree with Texas that they are better and deserve more money.
 
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Another Georgia player arrested:

Georgia mentality.......

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It’s more because I’m lamenting for the old big 12. Texas, Nebraska, aTm, and OU fought for unequal revenue. Only for them to leave for equal revenue conferences (Nebby and aTm) Nebraska fans complained ad nauseam about the unequal revenue which funny enough Beebee even pushed back at the time telling them that their school wanted it that way.

I’m just annoyed that if unequal is the future. The old big 12 didn’t need to die. The big 12 wouldn’t have found itself in a precarious situation trying to keep up with the top 2 conferences.
As others have said in here, it wasn't unequal revenue sharing that killed the conference. Most of the other members of the Big 12 new our place and were just happy to be part of it all. It was the egos at the top that killed it. aTm and Nebraska just couldn't get along with Texas. All three wanted to be the top dog. Nebraska especially started to lose their minds once they couldn't beat Texas on the field either.

Don't get me wrong here, I am no fan of Nebraska, but it's been obvious to me through all these years, Texas has an ego larger than their state. No matter how well anyone else wants to play along, Texas always wants more. They are alway looking for the next way to boost themselves.

I know some people say it will never happen, but I will be surprised if the SEC doesn't start having problems now with Texas in the conference. The irony of hearing rumors of top teams starting to question equal sharing as soon as Texas joins another conference isn't lost on me. That school is a ******* poison.
 

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When you have unequal revenue sharing you automatically put schools, fans, and public perception that certain teams are just better. There is a reason there has been a lot of chaos in the big 12 that you haven’t seen in other conferences and a large part of that comes from that perception which unequal revenue sharing only highlights.
I think you can have unequal sharing as long as the formula for it is transparent and not rigged. And as long as it isn't TOO unequal.

But it needs to be based on performance and value to customer (ie fox/ESPN) and can't JUST be about the name brand (beyond what that value to customer is). If ISU 2 years ago got 10% less when they were 4-8 and on ESPN+ all the time, but got 10% more this year when they are ranked and rolling (so far), that doesn't seem horribly unfair. JP and the accounting department might hate it a lot, but they'd figure it out.

Heck, maybe you just take 20% of the contract and split it up into shares based on wins. In 2023, the Big12 had 99 wins overall. If the overall contract was ~$500m (I didn't look up the exact), so 20% is $100M. Pay each team $1M per win. So 10 win teams get ~$38M and 3 win team gets ~$31M. Not perfect, but very simple anyway.
 

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I know some people say it will never happen, but I will be surprised if the SEC doesn't start having problems now with Texas in the conference. The irony of hearing rumors of top teams starting to question equal sharing as soon as Texas joins another conference isn't lost on me. That school is a ******* poison.
Just a matter of time.

Texas winning will keep them in check for now, but eventually they will have problems and then the SEC will have problems.
 

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As others have said in here, it wasn't unequal revenue sharing that killed the conference. Most of the other members of the Big 12 new our place and were just happy to be part of it all. It was the egos at the top that killed it. aTm and Nebraska just couldn't get along with Texas. All three wanted to be the top dog. Nebraska especially started to lose their minds once they couldn't beat Texas on the field either.

Don't get me wrong here, I am no fan of Nebraska, but it's been obvious to me through all these years, Texas has an ego larger than their state. No matter how well anyone else wants to play along, Texas always wants more. They are alway looking for the next way to boost themselves.

I know some people say it will never happen, but I will be surprised if the SEC doesn't start having problems now with Texas in the conference. The irony of hearing rumors of top teams starting to question equal sharing as soon as Texas joins another conference isn't lost on me. That school is a ******* poison.
Remember - everything's bigger in Texas!

Well said post. I think people just don't understand the influence of Texas (positive and negative) until Texas is in their conference. There's a reason why many/most Big 12 fans were saying "good riddance" to Texas. It's like dating a gorgeous girl. At first, you think it's great. Everyone sees you more positively. But after a while, you get old of her demands. And she makes many demands because she knows she can just leave you and someone else will be eager to fulfill it.
 

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My doomsday scenario for the current P2 model is if SEC schools want to remove many of the academic requirements for eligibility. The athletes will be making large sums and decide they do not need college classes / degree. The B10 has always maintained they were not interested in a model like that. It could cause a split between the two P2 powers.
 

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As others have said in here, it wasn't unequal revenue sharing that killed the conference. Most of the other members of the Big 12 new our place and were just happy to be part of it all. It was the egos at the top that killed it. aTm and Nebraska just couldn't get along with Texas. All three wanted to be the top dog. Nebraska especially started to lose their minds once they couldn't beat Texas on the field either.

Don't get me wrong here, I am no fan of Nebraska, but it's been obvious to me through all these years, Texas has an ego larger than their state. No matter how well anyone else wants to play along, Texas always wants more. They are alway looking for the next way to boost themselves.

I know some people say it will never happen, but I will be surprised if the SEC doesn't start having problems now with Texas in the conference. The irony of hearing rumors of top teams starting to question equal sharing as soon as Texas joins another conference isn't lost on me. That school is a ******* poison.
I agree with this.
and the only thing holding back Texas from being off the charts unbearable is they haven't really been good the past 15 years. other than about 3 seasons, they have had pretty bad showings and quite a few 5,6 7 wins seasons, including 5 losing seasons in the past ~15 seasons.

the SEC better hope to heck they don't win the conference the first year they are a member...lol
Texas may demand more money and a conference name change.
 
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I agree with this.
and the only thing holding back Texas from being off the charts unbearable is they haven't really been good the past 15 years. other than about 3 seasons, they have had pretty bad showings and quite a few 5,6 7 wins seasons, including 5 losing seasons in the past ~15 seasons.

the SEC better hope to heck they don't win the conference the first year they are a member...lol
Texas may demand more money and a conference name change.

Arguably, the biggest thing that hurt the Big 12 was Texas not being able to lure away Saban when they forced out Mack

That hurts the SEC, and instead brings titles to the Big 12’s most important brand

As long as the Big 12 had OUT, it was staving off the P2 era. Nebraska and A&M nice to have, but the Big 12 outlasts the PAC and ACC as the 3 in a true P3, as long as it has OUT.

We now know that espn didn’t want a real P3, certainly not a P5. The ACC agreed to delay their death blow in 2021 by giving espn more time on the option
 
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Arguably, the biggest thing that hurt the Big 12 was Texas not being able to lure away Saban when they forced out Mack

That hurts the SEC, and instead brings titles to the Big 12’s most important brand
Texas should have been doing everything possible from the onset to make the Big 12 the greatest football conference.

Instead, they whined and complained the whole time and the SEC took that spot.
 

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I agree with this.
and the only thing holding back Texas from being off the charts unbearable is they haven't really been good the past 15 years. other than about 3 seasons, they have had pretty bad showings and quite a few 5,6 7 wins seasons, including 5 losing seasons in the past ~15 seasons.

the SEC better hope to heck they don't win the conference the first year they are a member...lol
Texas may demand more money and a conference name change.

I hope Texas wins the SEC...that old members of that league won't be able to explain that at all...it would be great! (Similar to me wanting Oregon to win the Big10)!
 

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My doomsday scenario for the current P2 model is if SEC schools want to remove many of the academic requirements for eligibility. The athletes will be making large sums and decide they do not need college classes / degree. The B10 has always maintained they were not interested in a model like that. It could cause a split between the two P2 powers.
Oddly enough, that probably only comes if student athletes become employees of the university. That opens up other obligations that the school has to fulfill, and potentially opens the athlete up to exploitation unless there’s a viable players union. Schools fought against this for a long time.

I’ll stop watching college sports if it ever gets that bonkers.
 
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Outside of UCF they really didn’t. It’s a long way from Arizona to Oregon and Washington.

Arizona schools travel is no different than it was before. Check a map.
Really the only thing that changed, is the time zone issue.

99% of teams are flying everywhere anyway. So going from a 1.5hr flight to a 2.5 hr flight really is not a huge deal in most cases. But an East coast team playing on the West coast late night is probably a bigger deal, due to the time changes. Same thing when a West coast team plays early on the East coast.

Otherwise some of the travel issues are overblown a bit, at least for FB. Although probably is a bigger deal for sports with mid week or multiple games per week, like BB etc.
 

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When you have unequal revenue sharing you automatically put schools, fans, and public perception that certain teams are just better. There is a reason there has been a lot of chaos in the big 12 that you haven’t seen in other conferences and a large part of that comes from that perception which unequal revenue sharing only highlights.

It’s pretty difficult to go back and change one aspect of the past without it having multipule ripples. Even if you’re correct and the teams would have bolted even earlier the financial world of cfb had much more parity then between conferences and it could have possibly been better or to your point could have made things worse even faster.

For a very long time the P5 were very equal in media valuation and only one conference had unequal revenue sharing. Now it’s possible (maybe even probable) that Texas would just cause chaos no matter what but unequal revenue sharing is just the conference saying they agree with Texas that they are better and deserve more money.
That all sounds good and true in theory, but equal revenue sharing doesn’t address the reason the league broke up. And that is because the biggest brands had offers where they could go make more money elsewhere, even despite being the benefactor of unequal revenue sharing.

And yes, Texas was able to make similar money in the Big 12 as they would’ve in the SEC, but that was by already pulling on the unequal revenue sharing about as far as it could go. What the SEC offers is same or better money, with the future potential to pull that lever again and get more.

A major difference that is going to dramatically change the urgency for unequal revenue sharing is the ability for schools to pay players. Before that, the marginal value of additional revenue to the Big 10 and SEC big boys was pretty low. If schools can pay players and there are no limits, that media $ marginal value in terms of on field performance goes through the roof.