Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Where would you go next to get to, say 12 members (for football)? (16 seems too bloated for the situation). You may include schools not on this list.

6 Pac (so far):
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
Oregon State
San Diego State
Washington State

MWC remainders:
Air Force
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Unlikely to return, but not impossible:
Cal
Stanford

To reach into Central zone:
Memphis
Rice
Tulane
Tulsa

By extension, who does MWC take for back-fill?
Would be interesting to see if the Montana and Dakota schools make the jump up to FBS in the MWC
 

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Where would you go next to get to, say 12 members (for football)? (16 seems too bloated for the situation). You may include schools not on this list.

6 Pac (so far):
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
Oregon State
San Diego State
Washington State

MWC remainders:
Air Force
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Unlikely to return, but not impossible:
Cal
Stanford

To reach into Central zone:
Memphis
Rice
Tulane
Tulsa

By extension, who does MWC take for back-fill?
Listened to a few minutes of Greg Flugaur's podcast this morning, he indicated UNLV was at top of list but they didn't jump in with the initial 4 schools. He mentioned the 4 new adds are requiring they have equal voice in additional adds, something OSU & WSU had originally resisted.

Is UNLV holding out for possible P4 bid? Their football team is on upswing and they might feel if Yormark is willing to look at UConn, why not UNLV and Las Vegas $.

He also mentioned that possible exit fees will be interesting aspect of new Pac. Are they minimal because all these schools hope for a spot at table in Big12 or ACC if there is further realignment.

With Memphis, there is definitely interest by Pac per Fluguar. But Memphis doesn't know if the new Pac is a good fit if they have to go west to play all games. Travel would be big consideration if closest school is CSU.

I would think UNLV and New Mexico are naturals for a new Pac. Large west coast state universities. But I would imagine the Pac also wants to add a Texas school- that seems like a realignment given.
 

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Where would you go next to get to, say 12 members (for football)? (16 seems too bloated for the situation). You may include schools not on this list.

6 Pac (so far):
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
Oregon State
San Diego State
Washington State

MWC remainders:
Air Force
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Unlikely to return, but not impossible:
Cal
Stanford

To reach into Central zone:
Memphis
Rice
Tulane
Tulsa

By extension, who does MWC take for back-fill?
Cal & Stanford are not going to join until forced by an ACC implosion.

I think it depends if you want 10, 12, or 16.

Personally, I would just add all of them except New Mexico and go to 16. Safety in numbers. If the ACC implodes in 2026, you can maybe add Cal/Stan and a couple others to get to 20.
 
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I feel for those athletes at Stanford and Cal. Two great universities with an amazing experience. A great, historic conference

Then the world changes and you have to fly across the entire country for a game against school that has no history with yours.

**** realignment
I don’t disagree with the feeling behind this but a degree from Stanford is life changing. Similar for Cal. Considering those schools have much more of an emphasis on Olympic sports it’s the rare time when the degree is more the worth the hassle.
 
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PAC needs to target the American now schools like Memphis, Tulane, try to get into Texas. There is nothing left West of the Rockies for them. Should be the best g5 league most years.
 

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I get what OSU and WSU are doing here. But when you start looking at financials I scratch my head. So they settled for 5 mil from each from the departing schools (50 mil) and signed an anti-tamper contract with mountain west (40 some mil) that you broke in less than 4 months and then you are telling these schools you'll pay their exit fees (18 mil each). And then expect to get some sort of decent TV deal with this new product that makes you sustainable?
I believe they got $65 million from the schools, and have around$250 million with all assets. I wondered what was going to happen after the football scheduling fell apart a couple of weeks ago. That’s ultimately why this happened now I think.
 

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Where would you go next to get to, say 12 members (for football)? (16 seems too bloated for the situation). You may include schools not on this list.

6 Pac (so far):
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
Oregon State
San Diego State
Washington State

MWC remainders:
Air Force
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Unlikely to return, but not impossible:
Cal
Stanford

To reach into Central zone:
Memphis
Rice
Tulane
Tulsa

By extension, who does MWC take for back-fill?
As a Tulsa fan, please please please let them us even though we are a TINY school
 

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Where would you go next to get to, say 12 members (for football)? (16 seems too bloated for the situation). You may include schools not on this list.

6 Pac (so far):
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
Oregon State
San Diego State
Washington State

MWC remainders:
Air Force
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Unlikely to return, but not impossible:
Cal
Stanford

To reach into Central zone:
Memphis
Rice
Tulane
Tulsa

By extension, who does MWC take for back-fill?
Somewhat surprised they didn't take Air Force. There's some juice with those academy schools, offer different things only academies can.
 

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Somewhat surprised they didn't take Air Force. There's some juice with those academy schools, offer different things only academies can.
Does seem like AFA would have some cachet. Still could add at some point, but will it happen, since it already has CSU? Maybe "TV market territory" consideration is changing and it's becoming moot (I'm no expert in that realm).
 
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JM4CY

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Does seem like AFA would have some cachet. Still could add at some point, but will it happen, since it already has CSU? Maybe "TV market territory" consideration is changing and it's becoming moot (I'm no expert in that realm).
I don’t know (I’m guessing) if those market territory applies near as much to academy schools.
 

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From the Athletic about the merger, looks like they have to get 2 more schools to join to get the bid.

Oregon State and Washington State’s only path to the College Football Playoff in 2024 and 2025 is as an at-large bid. In a rebuilt Pac-12, the conference champion would have a shot at one of the five automatic bids provided to conference champions. All that’s been determined for the CFP in 2026 and beyond is that at least five conference champs have a spot, however big the field is, and the Big Ten and SEC will make the most money.

 

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This is just my opinion. But I don’t see the MWC backfilling with FCS schools. Idaho went to FCS and is more competitive then they ever were in FBS. The Montana and Dakota schools are winning national championships and well funded so why move up where you will never win anything.

I can’t help but think we will just see a reshuffling of MWC, AAC, and CUSA teams into two conferences. I also think some teams may use the new landscape to take the Idaho route and move down to FCS.
 

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This is just my opinion. But I don’t see the MWC backfilling with FCS schools. Idaho went to FCS and is more competitive then they ever were in FBS. The Montana and Dakota schools are winning national championships and well funded so why move up where you will never win anything.

I can’t help but think we will just see a reshuffling of MWC, AAC, and CUSA teams into two conferences. I also think some teams may use the new landscape to take the Idaho route and move down to FCS.
I would guess the the P6 now will try and grab a couple other schools to get to 8, the number needed to be a conference champ and into the playoff by 2026 and then see what is happening with the ACC. If that league is torn apart after next season, then Cal and Stanford may be looking to move back to the P6 to bring the league to 10 teams.

Oregon St and Washington St. out smarted the MWC conference with this deal, taking the best teams from the MWC instead of joining the conference themselves. I would guess the selling point is by joining with them, the schools have a better shot at getting a play off bid starting in 2026 than they would have by staying in the MWC.
 

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I would guess the the P6 now will try and grab a couple other schools to get to 8, the number needed to be a conference champ and into the playoff by 2026 and then see what is happening with the ACC. If that league is torn apart after next season, then Cal and Stanford may be looking to move back to the P6 to bring the league to 10 teams.

Oregon St and Washington St. out smarted the MWC conference with this deal, taking the best teams from the MWC instead of joining the conference themselves. I would guess the selling point is by joining with them, the schools have a better shot at getting a play off bid starting in 2026 than they would have by staying in the MWC.
I completely agree with that. My point was I don’t see the MWC, AAC, and CUSA all backfilling with FCS schools.

The value prop for the MWC schools to jump in with OSU/WSU is very clear. I’m just struggling to see what the value would be for FCS schools to backfill in these conferences.