Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[KennyPratt42]

It feels like Arizona St. wants to stay for at least one more media rights contract and Arizona is ready to leave. Its at the point where their board of regents is involved and I can't imagine it isn't messy. Also, nobody seems to know what power the Arizona board of regents has to stop one of the schools from changing a conference or trying to keep them together (if that's what they want).

 

[MugNight]

PAC 12: Arizona. Please stay with us to save us. Thanks. Oh, by the way, Oregon and Washington need some of the $20 million you will receive from us. CFP money goes to the football schools that qualify. Bowl money as well. Merit based. Basketball money will be shared. Equally. And you will receive no linear broadcasts for your football games. Thanks again for saving us.

100%. Then again, you have Robbins from
UA and Crow from ASU allegedly interviewing to be next Pres at Stanford. Neither guy wants to walk into the mess of getting Stanford onto a liferaft if the PAC crumbles.

Anyone else’s company would abstain them from all negotiations if it came to light that such a conflict of interest existed.

 

[MugNight]

It feels like Arizona St. wants to stay for at least one more media rights contract and Arizona is ready to leave. It’s at the point where their board of regents is involved and I can't imagine it isn't messy. Also, nobody seems to know what power the Arizona board of regents has to stop one of the schools from changing a conference or trying to keep them together (if that's what they want).

Someone reported that the BOR could force UA to subsidize ASU if they left. It would be just like UCLA has to pay $10MM to Cal annually.

 

[BCClone]

100%. Then again, you have Robbins from
UA and Crow from ASU allegedly interviewing to be next Pres at Stanford. Neither guy wants to walk into the mess of getting Stanford onto a liferaft if the PAC crumbles.

Anyone else’s company would abstain them from all negotiations if it came to light that such a conflict of interest existed.

This tidbit may make anyone becoming the next President of Stanford not too worried.

$36.3 billion

Endowment. Stanford's $36.3 billion endowment (as of Aug. 31, 2022) provides an enduring source of financial support for fulfillment of the university's mission of teaching, learning and research. It disbursed a $1.5 billion payout to support vital academic programs and financial aid during the fiscal year.

 

[PickSix]

Another factor that I haven't heard mentioned is that it seems like public pressure from Arizona fans is on our side. I think it's safe to say an overwhelming majority strongly favors getting out of the PAC. When dealing with community leaders, never underestimate the power of public pressure.

Based on what I'm seeing online, there will be hell to pay if Arizona doesn't jump.

 

[KennyPratt42]

Someone reported that the BOR could force UA to subsidize ASU if they left. It would be just like UCLA has to pay $10MM to Cal annually.

I saw this same thing on Reddit, but it seemed to be based on this article which only speculates based on the California situation without really reporting any facts.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/01/arizona-big-12-pac-12-conference-duel

 

[CycloneErik]

ISU death penalty for gambling

So the Big 12 needs another team.

 

[Clonehomer]

This tidbit may make anyone becoming the next President of Stanford not too worried.

$36.3 billion

Endowment. Stanford's $36.3 billion endowment (as of Aug. 31, 2022) provides an enduring source of financial support for fulfillment of the university's mission of teaching, learning and research. It disbursed a $1.5 billion payout to support vital academic programs and financial aid during the fiscal year.

Wow. They have an enrollment of about 17,326 students in both undergraduate and graduate programs. That’s $86,575 per student per year.

Starting to understand why they haven’t been super vocal about needing to find a home if this PAC thing falls apart.

 

[Malty Flannel]

Another factor that I haven't heard mentioned is that it seems like public pressure from Arizona fans is on our side. I think it's safe to say an overwhelming majority strongly favors getting out of the PAC. When dealing with community leaders, never underestimate the power of public pressure.

Based on what I'm seeing online, there will be hell to pay if Arizona doesn't jump.

From a fan side and an athletic department its a no-brainer. It'd be like if ISU was invited to the B1G a couple years ago, but Winterstein drug her feet because she felt loyalty to the other Big 8 schools. We'd be pissed.

 

[PickSix]

This tidbit may make anyone becoming the next President of Stanford not too worried.

$36.3 billion

Endowment. Stanford's $36.3 billion endowment (as of Aug. 31, 2022) provides an enduring source of financial support for fulfillment of the university's mission of teaching, learning and research. It disbursed a $1.5 billion payout to support vital academic programs and financial aid during the fiscal year.

Yeah, Stanford will be fine.

That's why they're indifferent. They can 1000% afford almost whatever they want. They could even go FCS in football and it would pretty much have the same impact on the University financials as a rounding error.

It's much different than schools like WSU or OSU who's athletics related revenues I would imagine are a more crucial piece of the University landscape.

 

[ISUTex]

So are we not allowed to say "tweet" anymore?

 

[KennyPratt42]

One other difference between the California situation and what might be happening in Arizona is that UCLA agreed to leave without consulting the overseeing board and had to go back to get their approval to make it official (which is when the payment to Cal got added). If Arizona and ASU are strongly split on what they want to do and both feel like they are taking the best course of action it’s harder to imagine the Arizona Board of Regents stopping one or making them make a payment to the other because they are opening choosing to take a bad deal.

 

[CascadeClone]

Yormark has been brilliant. Jumping P12 for the Fox/ESPN contract saved the conference imo

But he was aided by USCLA departing, the P12 having a commissioner in way over his head, and 10 years of crappy P12 football/financial management

I posted it in the other thread, but BY has a vision for the conference to grow its brand and revenue to keep it relevant in football and make it the premier for basketball. Just having that vision, and creating a plan on how to get there puts him miles ahead of most other commissioners.

Even Sankey, he is mostly just putting "best football" on blast and carrying his wallet around in a wheelbarrow. That makes him powerful, but not necessarily skilled.

 

[RagingCloner]

I have a theory here. Its not a great one, but its something. Kilavkoff is hoping he wins the lottery that is now up to 1.8 billion, and then can use that to create his new media deal. Explains the kicking the can thing. No lottery winner, no Pac9 deal.

In all seriousness, did anyone else see Apple TV would make the universities pay for the production of the game? Is this common practice?

 

[Cyched]

One other difference between the California situation and what might be happening in Arizona is that UCLA agreed to leave without consulting the overseeing board and had to go back to get their approval to make it official (which is when the payment to Cal got added). If Arizona and ASU are strongly split on what they want to do and both feel like they are taking the best course of action it’s harder to imagine the Arizona Board of Regents stopping one or making them make a payment to the other because they are opening choosing to take a bad deal.

It seems like UA wants to move, but at the same time do it “by the book.” Which is why they waited to hear what GK had to offer, and are probably preparing to make their case to the regents, if they haven’t already.

 

[CascadeClone]

Had Bowlsby not added the other 4, Yormark doesn't have a solid base to start from and that's before we talk about the destabilizing of the Pac that the Big 12 had nothing to do with.

It was also fortunate for Bob they did they strategic look on those dozen or so schools a few years prior, so all the due diligence was done already. All he had to do was pull the trigger on best 4. The appearance was that the conference was fast moving and decisive, but it was only able to do so because they had done that months of work already.

 

[legi]

This tidbit may make anyone becoming the next President of Stanford not too worried.

$36.3 billion

Endowment. Stanford's $36.3 billion endowment (as of Aug. 31, 2022) provides an enduring source of financial support for fulfillment of the university's mission of teaching, learning and research. It disbursed a $1.5 billion payout to support vital academic programs and financial aid during the fiscal year.

Stanford may not care if they are in PAC or independent, but if they had a choice they would pick PAC. So Robbins might as well try to keep AZ in PAC so Stanford doesn't have to deal with realignment once he becomes the president.

 

[isufbcurt]

So are we not allowed to say "tweet" anymore?

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made me think of this

 

[FarminCy]

So are we not allowed to say "tweet" anymore?

Thought the same thing. “He said this in an X” sounds so GD stupid.

 

[Cmonwhatarewedoinghereman]

Yeah, Stanford will be fine.

That's why they're indifferent. They can 1000% afford almost whatever they want. They could even go FCS in football and it would pretty much have the same impact on the University financials as a rounding error.

It's much different than schools like WSU or OSU whose athletics related revenues I would imagine are a more crucial piece of the University landscape.

To put it in perspective, for 2022 Arizona’s operating revenue for athletics was 124.4 million with support from the school (direct payment and student fees) at 31.1 million. Expenses? 124.9 million. There are some other internal loans the athletic dept owes the school which are kinda shady. AZ athletics could use a little more cash.

ASU, UA report $57.5M in athletics subsidies, operating deficits in 2022

Major college athletics subsidies receded as revenues bounced back from the COVID-19 pandemic, but were the highest of any year other than 2021.

www.azcentral.com