Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[SCNCY]

For sure. And A&M might be one of the few schools additive to the Big 10. Plus it gets the Big 10 into Texas and the school meets the conference’s academic requirements. It makes a lot of sense

I'd be curious as to what A&M's motivation would be for changing conferences. Money would play a part of it, but I think they would weigh more heavily the ability to play in the CFP more than most other schools. I think A&M's ego would say they could compete in the Big10 and win conference championships there, and make it to the playoff. But they may be enticed to have an easier path by playing in the Big12. Plus, they get the added bonus of getting out of Texas's shadow again.

Monetarily, they have all the resources they need to be competitive anywhere.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

The main motivation would be they hate Texas. That’s why they leaked the news of UT/OU joining the SEC as a last-ditch attempt to derail it.

But, outside of that, they’d get a slight pay raise in the Big 10 if they bolted I’d think. They also could tout better academics for what that’s worth too. The Big 10 has like-minded, top ag schools in Purdue, Illinois, Michigan St, etc.

Not saying it will happen, but I could definitely see it happening

 

[CascadeClone]

The main motivation would be they hate Texas.

You can also add that they probably feel like they got absolutely Cassius & Brutus level of betrayed by Sankey and the entire conference leadership. What a horrible way to find out all your cool new friends actually think you are Milhouse.

 

[jcyclonee]

The PAC schools have an elitist attitude when it comes to academics and don’t want to be associated to anyone they don’t perceive to be in the same level. Despite the facts athletics and academics aren’t related.

That attitude may change with USC and UCLA leaving. OSU, Oregon, WSU, AZ, ASU and Colorado are not elite academic institutions. Washington and Utah are very good but probably not truly elite, either.

 

[Gonzo]

School rankings are dumb. It’s the Ivy’s, Stanford, MIT and the like.

Then you’ve got like ND, NW & Michigan.

Then everyone else is just a malleable mass.

I don't disagree but they still matter to a lot of parents and families when it comes to choosing a school.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

That attitude may change with USC and UCLA leaving. OSU, Oregon, WSU, AZ, ASU and Colorado are not elite academic institutions. Washington and Utah are very good but probably not truly elite, either.

I wouldn’t put utah and UW in the same category. Utah is a fairly average school from an academics perspective

 

[keepngoal]

That attitude may change with USC and UCLA leaving. OSU, Oregon, WSU, AZ, ASU and Colorado are not elite academic institutions. Washington and Utah are very good but probably not truly elite, either.

ASU: Business School Undergrad at #23. And I can't recall exactly, but they have an advanced undergrad program that is top shelf.
UW: #6 in best global universities.
UU: average.

 

[jcyclonee]

I wouldn’t put utah and UW in the same category. Utah is a fairly average school from an academics perspective

I can agree with that.

 

[jcyclonee]

ASU: Business School Undergrad at #23. And I can't recall exactly, but they have an advanced undergrad program that is top shelf.
UW: #6 in best global universities.
UU: average.

OK. I was wrong about Utah. ASU is improving but I don't think it's particularly close to elite overall.

 

[keepngoal]

OK. I was wrong about Utah. ASU is improving but I don't think it's particularly close to elite overall.

ASU has a few top ten programs for an undergrad degree. It may have a lot of fluff, but there are serious programs there.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

OK. I was wrong about Utah. ASU is improving but I don't think it's particularly close to elite overall.

Not even remotely close although the perception of it is probably worse than the reality.

 

[Pope]

School rankings are dumb. It’s the Ivy’s, Stanford, MIT and the like.

Then you’ve got like ND, NW & Michigan.

Then everyone else is just a malleable mass.

ISU suffers in the school rankings because these rankings factor in "selectivity" which is essentially the percentage of applicants who are denied admission. Iowa State, unlike most colleges and universities across the country, has admission requirements which are completely objective and completely transparent.

As a result, applicants pretty much know in advance if they are admissible, and applicants who aren't admissible self-select themselves out of applying for admission.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Not even remotely close although the perception of it is probably worse than the reality.

It’s cause ASU has like an 80%+ acceptance rate which hurts the perception of the school. Personally, I think that is stupid, but that’s academia

 

[jcyclonee]

Not even remotely close although the perception of it is probably worse than the reality.

It's still hard to think of ASU as a "good" academic institution. It spent so much time being facetiously known as the "Harvard of the West". Having gone to college in the 80s and 90s, ASU simply had the reputation as the party school with the hot co-eds.

I know it's improved greatly but it takes perception a lot of time to catch up with reality.

 

[David Freshman1982]

School rankings are dumb. It’s the Ivy’s, Stanford, MIT and the like.

Then you’ve got like ND, NW & Michigan.

Then everyone else is just a malleable mass.

No, this post is dumb. There are nearly two dozen P5 conference universities that are brilliant academic institutions, with multiple programs considered top-of-class out there in the real world. Hardly a "malleable mass." In my field (business), the best ones in no particular order:

UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Utah, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Pitt, and a few others almost there like Arizona, Iowa, Rutgers and Texas A&M. I'm probably forgetting a couple as well.

That's a lot of schools. You'll notice none are in the Big 12. We're pretty much the best academic school left in the Big 12 along with KU. Newbie Houston is probably on par with us as well; their b-school is better FWIW.

I think the Pac10 schools with a snobbish attitude regarding academics have a point to some degree. What the heck do they want to do with the likes of UCF and West Virginia? I get it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

It’s cause ASU has like an 80%+ acceptance rate which hurts the perception of the school. Personally, I think that is stupid, but that’s academia

Indiana university has an 85% acceptance rate and is 50 spots higher…

 

[David Freshman1982]

Not even remotely close although the perception of it is probably worse than the reality.

For B-Schools at least, both Utah and ASU are top 40 programs. Top researchers at both schools, excellent reps.

 

[theshadow]

US News rankings are akin to the AP and coaches' polls.

Whole lot of opinion, with bits and pieces of actual data.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

For B-Schools at least, both Utah and ASU are top 40 programs. Top researchers at both schools, excellent reps.

Yep just about every major university has a couple programs that they are great at, doesn’t make it overall a great school but it can have excellent programs

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Man the rankings for UW are all over the place but you’re right that US News has them in the 50’s I would have swore they were significantly higher.

The SEC still has rough academics, texas helps but there are still only 4 schools in the top 100 unless Auburn moved up. They also have some real rough schools. No it’s not a horrific academic conference like some would have you believe but I feel like it would be a last resort for UW to move there. Might be getting to that point but it would also be a political shitstorm

UW and UO would be on the first plane to the SEC if invited, there would be 0 hesitation.

I think it is an interesting idea for the SEC. Get a part of that late night window.