I honestly thought at first that this clip would have the first part of the dialogue! Good thing it didn't.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I honestly thought at first that this clip would have the first part of the dialogue! Good thing it didn't.
It may or may not be dissolution, but all ACC schools benefit in working with ESPN and P2-bound ACC schools. The alternative is either the 2016 era deal, or enough schools figuring out a way around GOR so they don’t have to give the BC types anything.
The only schools that likely would not jump at the offer of a raise and being in 3rd super conference are those like NCST that see their rival get promoted.
Based what I have read on the internet, there is conjecture that GOR could be litigated based on the agreement being one sided. But that seems like a stretch as not like schools signed GOR with a gun to their head.
Also some hope that if GOR is litigated in a "friendly" state vs. North Carolina that courts could find with school. Believable that FL could be such a state.
A school like FSU could also hope for a settlement less than 100% of TV Rights $.
The question is can these schools work together or not.
Is FSU etc. going to be able to convince VTech and company its ok, for FSU to get huge pay check in the SEC or B1G, as long as VTech gets a little bigger pay check in the Big 12? Or will the Schools like VTech hold the schools like Clemson and FSU Hostage, knowing they are looking at a much smaller pay increase.
Then if you get a group of 8 schools working together to dissolve the conference, I would still think that opens up lawsuit possibilities for the others left out, for several reasons, collusion, etc.
Not saying in the end it won't happen, just feel that there are a number of fires that will have to be put out for it to work, and even then several will probably still have to be settled in court or mediated later.
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I think they'd have a difficult time getting to 8. I'm not sure even a school like UNC that would obviously be in line for a golden ticket P2 offer would vote to dissolve the ACC having their history being so tied to BB.
I think they'd have a difficult time getting to 8. I'm not sure even a school like UNC that would obviously be in line for a golden ticket P2 offer would vote to dissolve the ACC having their history being so tied to BB.
I agree I think 8 would be pushing it. Maybe its only 7, half of 14, not including ND, for dissolution? Even then, if Oregon and Washington are border line P2 what's that say for ACC schools?
In:
FSU
Clemson
Possibly:
Miami
UNC
Virginia
Doubtful:
VT
BC
Syracuse
NCST
Duke
Pitt
Louisville
WF
GT
I think the threshold for the SEC is slightly lower than the B1G, at least for the time being, to get above the break even line.
That being said, I think the idea is the 8 would include at least some that would get spots in the Big 12, not just the SEC and B1G. My feeling with that is, those may not be happy to just let the ones going to the P2 to just get out and make exponentially more money than them without some form of compensation etc.
And then you have the ones that would be out of even the Big 12. Because not everyone will make the cut even for the Big 12. I think we can all come up with at least 8 teams that would get in to the B1G, SEC, or Big 12. But with that, will they, and will they work together enough to make it work, and then will they avoid the many pitfalls and lawsuits that may come with such actions.
I think we all can see at least 4 of your top 5 in the list are probable to one of the P2, and then any 1 left of that top 5 plus I think 3-5 are probable for the Big 12 in the bottom list. But still I just don't know how all those schools get together while also cutting out a number of their other peers at the same time. A couple maybe, or if they were all going to the same conference together, but 8 to as many as 3 different conferences, all with different agreements, pay, etc, coming together to work out a deal to dissolve the conference and at the same time cut out 1/3 of their peers, I just see that as really hard to believe.
If the P2 go ahead with exiting the NCAA and starting their own basketball tournament, this math may change on some of these schools. CBS pays around $1B annually for the NCAA tournament. That may make basketball matter a bit more than it does now. Not saying it would matter as much as football, but it gives a school like Duke a chance.
Right now a big ten/SEC championship would be between an NCAA and NIT title. Neither has been that good lately.
They would likely invite as many participants as now.
The primary change would be in how the revenue gets split.
I guess it would come down to if just the P2 left. If just they leave, I would guess that they would try to take most of the money and maybe the NCAA would then change their payouts to keep the other 4 basketball powers in their fold and let the P2 have a 16 team tournament, unless they have everyone and go 32/48 and have 1-18 teams playing 4-15 teams first round.
The bigger question is IF B1G (Fox) and SEC (espn) are willing to collaborate behind the scenes at same time to invite 4 teams each.
There are def 4 schools each conf would want. Remember even BC could add value for the B1G due to Boston market, and SEC wont want to have 16 if B1G has 24.
Depends on the 24. If the Big ten adds Cal, BC, Syracuse, wake forest type schools; the SEC may be content with what they have. Obviously that probably wouldn't happen, but if they did grab Cal and Standford from the PAC and NC, Va, and then like Duke and BC, the SEC may be scratching their heads.
So some random dude (aka as Phil Knight) just wandered into the Big ten HQ and said, hey about Oregon to the big ten?
Realignment Notebook: Waiting for the Big Ten
Realignment Notebook: Waiting for the Big Ten
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