Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[jbhtexas]

There’s no disruption value. No one believes it. And if it occurred, no one cares.MN doesn’t really help the Big 12, and the Big 12 certainly doesn’t help MN. One more spot for another school.

The Big 12 certainly wouldn't help MN financially (which, of course, is pretty much the only consideration these days). But what the Big 12 would give to MN is an actual chance to play in a football conference title game.

The Big 12 has had 14 different members, and only 3 of them haven't played in the title game (KU, WVU, TT). With OU leaving, right now, there really doesn't appear to be a perennial FB title game participant, so the game is even more open that it was.

Six Big Ten teams have yet to play in the FB conference title game. Granted, the Big 12 title game has been going on for a longer time period.

I suppose with all the money they get, MN can buy some nice flat screens to watch the title game.

 

[Gonzo]

I guess if it is an asset you got, then use it. My only issue is if they do this, or similar, I get annoyed when they then complain that they are getting objectified. Of course you are. This is what you want, this is how you get attention, it is the entire point of what you do, and how you do it.

Then they call men pigs etc for looking, even though that is exactly what their entire point of doing what they're doing is. It is just that when you put out a little honey you don't just attract your ideal audience, you attract them all, so they can't complain that they attracted the undesirable audience as well as their desirable.

That is just my 2 cents on that.

Agreed. If you want to tell the world that your entire worth is nothing more than your butt and boobs, go for it. Have fun in five years when no one's paying attention anymore and you're left wondering why you aren't being taken seriously for anything else.

 

[2speedy1]

Agreed. If you want to tell the world that your entire worth is nothing more than your butt and boobs, go for it. Have fun in five years when no one's paying attention anymore and you're left wondering why you aren't being taken seriously for anything else.

To be fair some of these women are making enough that after a few years if they are smart with their money they wont have to worry about working anyway.

Many of these women are making hundreds of thousands a month. It doesn't take very long at that rate if you invest it, to set yourself up for life.

I, quite frankly can see why they do it, when it comes to money. The ones that do it every day just for attention is one thing. That is just what it is, they want attention. They are the ones that have issues, they are also the same that end up complaining about being objectified, usually.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Just checking into the conference realignment thread to say "there are people showing a lot more than a little cleavage on the internets" and "how about we talk about realignment."

 

[KidSilverhair]

Just checking into the conference realignment thread to say "there are people showing a lot more than a little cleavage on the internets" and "how about we talk about realignment."

Gotta realign that cleavage, knowwhatimean

 

[2speedy1]

Just checking into the conference realignment thread to say "there are people showing a lot more than a little cleavage on the internets" and "how about we talk about realignment."

Realignment, news is slow. We adding in filler.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The Big 12 certainly wouldn't help MN financially (which, of course, is pretty much the only consideration these days). But what the Big 12 would give to MN is an actual chance to play in a football conference title game.

The Big 12 has had 14 different members, and only 3 of them haven't played in the title game (KU, WVU, TT). With OU leaving, right now, there really doesn't appear to be a perennial FB title game participant, so the game is even more open that it was.

Six Big Ten teams have yet to play in the FB conference title game. Granted, the Big 12 title game has been going on for a longer time period.

I suppose with all the money they get, MN can buy some nice flat screens to watch the title game.

This statement might be true but having anyone actually say it out loud would be pretty damning for the big 12. Oh you never got the the championship game in the big ten? Come here and you have a much better chance becuase the league has less competition is awful for perception.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So to me the ball is entirely in the Big12’s court right now. If the big 12 can present an option to the pac12 teams that would guarantee them at least 40mil+ per season then the schools have to leave. If the Big12 can’t do that then the pac10 lives on for awhile unless the big ten decides to move on more teams in the next 12 months which doesn’t seem likely without ND. ND won’t move unless the P2 play hardball and try to keep them out of the playoff or refuse to schedule them.

 

[carvers4math]

Agreed. If you want to tell the world that your entire worth is nothing more than your butt and boobs, go for it. Have fun in five years when no one's paying attention anymore and you're left wondering why you aren't being taken seriously for anything else.

When the world tells women that’s all their lives are worth and valued for, some believe it.

 

[2speedy1]

So to me the ball is entirely in the Big12’s court right now. If the big 12 can present an option to the pac12 teams that would guarantee them at least 40mil+ per season then the schools have to leave. If the Big12 can’t do that then the pac10 lives on for awhile unless the big ten decides to move on more teams in the next 12 months which doesn’t seem likely without ND. ND won’t move unless the P2 play hardball and try to keep them out of the playoff or refuse to schedule them.

I really think there are a lot of moving factors right now.

• What does ND do
• What does Big 10 do if/when ND decides either way
• What does Pac 10 get on open market
• What does Big 12 get from media partners as a projection w/ and w/o certain additions
• Will anyone in the Pac sign a GoR
• Will the Big 12 projected deal be far enough ahead of Pac without actual bids
• If Big 10 does not add any more at this time, can ORWA convince others to stay at reduced share.
• How much value is projected in certain Pac schools to really entice the Big 12 and Media to add, and which ones.

I agree the ball is in the Big 12s court, to a point. But it is also in the Big 10s too. They have to decide what to do with or without ND. The Pac is just now waiting to see what everyone throws at them to a point, from media partners to Conferences.

 

[VeloClone]

They’re counting western Nebraska for their mountain time representation. Because I’m sure there’s a lot of viewership numbers in western Nebraska.

Isn't that the truth. When ordered by population you have to get down to the 7th Nebraska county before you get to the first western half county, Scotts Bluff. Counties 1-6 account for over 1.2 million of Nebraska's 1.9 million total population. Only the western third of Nebraska is in the Mountain Time Zone.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I mean this sincerely I think this weird online market of young women making a living off sticking their butt out on instagram is honestly just gross. I guess I've become a prude in my old age.

The gross part is when they pretend to be these highly enlightened and worldly people with all these hot political and societal takes all the while some grease ball photographer is like “stick your ass up in the air more and I bet we get 1000 more likes on this post.”

I have great respect for porn stars. They always ******* own it.

 

[WhoISthis]

The Big 12 certainly wouldn't help MN financially (which, of course, is pretty much the only consideration these days). But what the Big 12 would give to MN is an actual chance to play in a football conference title game.

The Big 12 has had 14 different members, and only 3 of them haven't played in the title game (KU, WVU, TT). With OU leaving, right now, there really doesn't appear to be a perennial FB title game participant, so the game is even more open that it was.

Six Big Ten teams have yet to play in the FB conference title game. Granted, the Big 12 title game has been going on for a longer time period.

I suppose with all the money they get, MN can buy some nice flat screens to watch the title game.

All true, but budget banners keep people employed.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I haven’t listened to this but wtf is up with the title/notes?

 

[2speedy1]

When the world tells women that’s all their lives are worth and valued for, some believe it.

I mean, I wish I could throw on a bikini and make a $Mil+ per month like a few of these women do. I don't know if it is the world telling them they are worth less, or more.

Like I said use what assets you have. If your best asset is your body, and you are ok with it, then use it. If it is your brain then use it.

But don't complain if you are using your body and you attract undesirables, or are objectified. Because that is what you are choosing to do.

I don't think think anyone is telling Paige Spiranac her only value is her looks, I think she is taking advantage of her looks as an asset.

 

[isucy86]

So to me the ball is entirely in the Big12’s court right now. If the big 12 can present an option to the pac12 teams that would guarantee them at least 40mil+ per season then the schools have to leave. If the Big12 can’t do that then the pac10 lives on for awhile unless the big ten decides to move on more teams in the next 12 months which doesn’t seem likely without ND. ND won’t move unless the P2 play hardball and try to keep them out of the playoff or refuse to schedule them.

At this point, how much can the Big12 do to establish they will get $40M+?

I am assuming the Big12 contract language with Fox & ESPN is similar to the Pac12 deal regarding an exclusive window next summer to negotiate a new Big12 deal for 2025+. The Big12 could hire media consultants to provide estimates on potential value, but that is far different than having a solid offer.

Plus how would the gap year between when the Pac12 & Big12 contracts end work if the Big12 added Pac12 teams? If ESPN or Fox aren't party to the new Big12 contract, why would they pay more to the Big12 in 2024/25 to add Pac12 teams. There is already potential the Big12 will have 14 teams if OU & UT are still around for 2024/25.

The one positive for Pac12 teams during that gap year is the Pac12 Network has TV equipment.

 

[WhoISthis]

So to me the ball is entirely in the Big12’s court right now. If the big 12 can present an option to the pac12 teams that would guarantee them at least 40mil+ per season then the schools have to leave. If the Big12 can’t do that then the pac10 lives on for awhile unless the big ten decides to move on more teams in the next 12 months which doesn’t seem likely without ND. ND won’t move unless the P2 play hardball and try to keep them out of the playoff or refuse to schedule them.

How would the Big 12 guarantee that exactly? It is all projections right now, isn't it?

The PAC is running on wounded pride- the fact that a Big 16 or Big 18 logically speaking should make more, greatly eliminates the risk they are left out later, and helps get to the preferred P3 setup may be lost on them imo

 

[jbhtexas]

This statement might be true but having anyone actually say it out loud would be pretty damning for the big 12. Oh you never got the the championship game in the big ten? Come here and you have a much better chance becuase the league has less competition is awful for perception.

What is says is that your program actually has a chance to grow beyond being a middling-to-bottom feeder.

 

[exCyDing]

The difference isn't about revenue. It is about LA, academics, and fit. SDSU is the most palatable by far. Getting the PAC to spend up on them (not unequal revenue sharing) or even taking them if AZ wanted them in order to retain a presence in southern CA, is plausible, although not probable.



I am not for it, but I don't agree we can unequivocally say that a G5 that part of the Big 12 wanted over Houston last year, is unequivocally not a factor in this. Communicating we are open to adding SDSU with AZ, if AZ is favorable to it, makes sense.

No, just no. SDSU is not a factor in this in any way, shape or form. They have no business in the Big XII given current and likely future scenarios. They're a clear #11 if we're ranking the PAC teams in order of preference for the Big XII, and we know for a fact that not all 10 PAC schools are a good add for the Big XII.

Last year was a different scenario. The Big XII had to expand or it wasn't going to be a viable conference. Nobody's leaving the SEC or Big 10 for the Big XII (not even Minnesota). The ACC's locked up. The PAC schools opted to stand pat. There were no P5 schools on the table for the Big XII to take, it was G5 or bust. Yes, I could see Houston and SDSU being on somewhat similar footing, but Texas actually cares about football so Houston has a fighting chance to build up their fanbase.

The PAC is in a similar situation right now, though they aren't in a must-expand situation like the Big XII was. The Big XII is in a position right now where they don't have to make any moves right now. The PAC is pinned in. When it comes down to it, their options are going to be:

• Stick together and a be a distant #5 of the P5
• Add 2-4 schools and be a further distant #5 of the P5
• Go to the ACC, make less than they could in the Big XII and potentially find themselves in the exact same place in 10 or so years. And that's if the ACC even wants to expand.
• Go to the Big XII to maximize their potential earnings and enjoy as much stability as possible.

The PAC has, IMO, 3 schools that are a hard no for the Big XII (WA St, Cal, OR St), 5 schools that are a maybe (Utah, ASU, Stanford, CO, AZ in that order) and 2 schools that are a hell yes (WA, OR obviously). If Oregon and Washington have some conditions for coming on board (along with a decent length GOR), I'm all ears if I'm the Big XII, but they're not bringing along another mouth to feed. AZ is the last of the "maybe schools." They're not dictating anything. If they want to be in the same conference as SDSU, they should just stick around the PAC for another GOR/media deal.

Look, San Diego is a great place to go visit. You should go there on a vacation. The beaches are really nice and Sea World and the zoo are quite popular if you're into that sort of thing. The burritos are top notch, and the craft beer scene is good (but not as good as the locals seem to think it is). However, unless the Big XII reworks it's Bowl affiliations, if you're going there to watch an Iowa St game, ****'s gone real sideways on the Big XII.

 

[WhoISthis]

They're a clear #11 if we're ranking the PAC teams in order of preference for the Big XII, and we know for a fact that not all 10 PAC schools are a good add for the Big XII.

Perhaps, but there is a chance they are higher. And the good news is, if they are, it is based on the networks and consultants telling the Big 12 so, and perhaps AZ and Co preferring them over Oregon St and WSU. Not likely, but plausible. If you want to make it binary though, it is a 0.

The interest in SDSU is calculated and informed. And it arguably has more of an impact on the PAC than WSU and Oregon St. There is a reason why WSU, despite having better ratings than most PAC schools recently, is in the scrap pile.