Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[SEIOWA CLONE]

The difference isn't about revenue. It is about LA, academics, and fit. SDSU is the most palatable by far. Getting the PAC to spend up on them (not unequal revenue sharing) or even taking them if AZ wanted them in order to retain a presence in southern CA, is plausible, although not probable.



I am not for it, but I don't agree we can unequivocally say that a G5 that part of the Big 12 wanted over Houston last year, is unequivocally not a factor in this. Communicating we are open to adding SDSU with AZ, if AZ is favorable to it, makes sense.

The B12 has bigger and better schools to go after than SDSU, it's that simple, taking them or not taking them does not affect whether the P12 survives or not.

Right now, SDSU is a filler school to get to an even number, just like Memphis and a few other schools, they are not a key piece of any puzzle to destroy the P12, nor to ensure that the Arizona schools move to the B12. That is all over money, and which conference can provide more of it.

 

[Klubber]

We've been working on the AZ schools for awhile. And the PAC schools need far less vetting than G5s.

Speedy is nuts, the timeline is more than within reason. Whether it occurs or not is dependent in part on Yormark's ability to convey the risks to the 4 corners in waiting.

Those risks are not fabrication. If the value in the 4 corners in Big 12 is limited enough for them to wait, then it is limited enough for the Big 12 to not need to take all if the PAC is already dead.

And let's be honest, WVU and Cincinnati would have no issue with the ACC being the base of the best of rest conference. Playing with the current ACC for even a limited time of value to them. If they were to jump, it is very plausible we are one more school away from the Big 12 racing to get in the ACC. Say KU leaving to be with UNC, Duke, UVa, Louisville, Cuse etc. That protects their top asset. At that point, the ACC has its pick of Big 12 schools, and would be bias to get dissolution (6 of R8). There is not room for two AZ schools imo. And if Oregon, UW, and Cal are not in BIG, there may not be room for 2-3 of the 4 corners.

I just don't see the ACC being an attractive option for anyone at this point .

The ACC is really in no position to poach from any other P5 conference. Cincy and WV were there for the picking if the ACC wanted them. Now you'd be talking about a huge amount of money for both to leave the BIG XII, and leave before they've even had a chance to earn full shares in the Big XII.

That would be a financial disaster for Cincy. Throw in the fact that the ACC earns less in TV revenue than the Big XII, is locked into a horrible media deal, and whose top teams are trying to get into the SEC.

The remaining PAC schools I guess could consider it, but the Big XII would be still be the better deal stability wise and money wise IMO.

 

[Clonefan94]

The difference isn't about revenue. It is about LA, academics, and fit. SDSU is the most palatable by far. Getting the PAC to spend up on them (not unequal revenue sharing) or even taking them if AZ wanted them in order to retain a presence in southern CA, is plausible, although not probable.



I am not for it, but I don't agree we can unequivocally say that a G5 that part of the Big 12 wanted over Houston last year, is unequivocally not a factor in this. Communicating we are open to adding SDSU with AZ, if AZ is favorable to it, makes sense.

Can we change the name of this thread to SDSU to the Big 12? Jesus Christ, give it a rest. I thought you said you were done arguing this ****.

 

[Arkansas Cyclone]

Just when I thought some of these articles couldn't get any more delusional, up pops this gem. According to this guy, the Big 12 is apparently reeling.

Big 12 Trying to Woo Gophers Away from Big Ten

The Minnesota Gophers are a founding member of the Big Ten conference but the Big 12 is reportedly trying to woo the University of Minnesota away.

www.minnesotasportsfan.com

 

[knowlesjam]

Just when I thought some of these articles couldn't get any more delusional, up pops this gem. According to this guy, the Big 12 is apparently reeling.

Big 12 Trying to Woo Gophers Away from Big Ten

The Minnesota Gophers are a founding member of the Big Ten conference but the Big 12 is reportedly trying to woo the University of Minnesota away.

www.minnesotasportsfan.com

Man, next thing you know Iowa will be trying to woo Iowa State away from the Big 12...

 

[CascadeClone]

Just when I thought some of these articles couldn't get any more delusional, up pops this gem. According to this guy, the Big 12 is apparently reeling.

Big 12 Trying to Woo Gophers Away from Big Ten

The Minnesota Gophers are a founding member of the Big Ten conference but the Big 12 is reportedly trying to woo the University of Minnesota away.

www.minnesotasportsfan.com

I'm not clicking that link to give that fool clicks.

What's his source? The man who lives in his finger?

 

[Al_4_State]

The Big 12 is not trying to get Minnesota. Jesus ******* Christ. No one is leaving the Big 10.

 

[BryceC]

I mean, men are going to do that to them anyway, may as well cash in on it.

I don’t blame them. I blame the men.

 

[Kinch]

The reason we hired Yormark was not just to be a deal maker, but more importantly to be a disrupter. I don't think it is an accident that we get rumors like the Big 12 courting Minnesota.

 

[HouClone]

The reason we hired Yormark was not just to be a deal maker, but more importantly to be a disrupter. I don't think it is an accident that we get rumors like the Big 12 courting Minnesota.

Even Yormark wouldn't float the idiotic Minnesota rumor. That is a rumor started by the author or the author's brother on a bet probably that the editor would miss allowing it to go into the story.

I agree we are already seeing disruption with the Yormark hire. Nice to see the Pac-12 getting rattled with the leaks to Brett McMurphy, Dennis Dodds, etc. Feels good not to be on the reactive side for once.

 

[AuH2O]

I disagree. If their payout stays above the MWs, which is at 4 million, the Pac survives. What that looks like if Oregon and Washington leave is probably above that but not by much. The number to get SMU from the American is likely 6 or 7 mil which is the ballpark of the Americans ESPN deal.

If whoever is left does have a higher earning potential than 4 mil then they can get someone to jump from the Mountain West. Theres no reason for the conference to fold if its still more profitable than the one it would raid

That's why when I talk about the PAC surviving, I add the "...as a power conference." If it's a conference without Oregon and UW, it's not going to be a power conference any more. And it might be the "PAC," but it's just another G5/6 conference with a name that has history. A conference that replaces top PAC brands with MWC names might still be called the PACX, but that's just in name only.

 

[12191987]

The Big 12 is not trying to get Minnesota. Jesus ******* Christ. No one is leaving the Big 10.

Seems like you could make a pretty compelling pitch. Something like:

Look, you’ve been in a rut for long time. ****, you’ve been playing some of these same teams for over 125 years!

We can offer you a fresh start. Nobody knows your past. Nobody will expect you to play the same old role.

It is whole new life. That kind of thing is priceless, yet isn’t gonna cost you more than $50-60M a year. Most likely not much more than that anyway…

 

[scyclonekid]

Holy crap NOBODY is leaving the big ten, laughable.

 

[WhoISthis]

I just don't see the ACC being an attractive option for anyone at this point .

The ACC is really in no position to poach from any other P5 conference. Cincy and WV were there for the picking if the ACC wanted them. Now you'd be talking about a huge amount of money for both to leave the BIG XII, and leave before they've even had a chance to earn full shares in the Big XII.

That would be a financial disaster for Cincy. Throw in the fact that the ACC earns less in TV revenue than the Big XII, is locked into a horrible media deal, and whose top teams are trying to get into the SEC.

The remaining PAC schools I guess could consider it, but the Big XII would be still be the better deal stability wise and money wise IMO.

Maybe so.

But WVU wouldn't mind jumping to the ACC, with worst case scenario they traded out BYU, KSU, and maybe ISU for their old Big East rivals. Cincy likely similar, and is on partial shares for 3 years in Big 12.

What do you think happens if those two were to jump? If UNC is still in the ACC, I don't see KU minding the fact they demote KU to Mountain West in exchange. The Texas schools all help ACC Network make more.

 

[Al_4_State]

The reason we hired Yormark was not just to be a deal maker, but more importantly to be a disrupter. I don't think it is an accident that we get rumors like the Big 12 courting Minnesota.

A rumor like that coming from Yormark would make me strongly question his judgment. It makes the Big 12 look silly.

 

[isucy86]

I disagree. If their payout stays above the MWs, which is at 4 million, the Pac survives. What that looks like if Oregon and Washington leave is probably above that but not by much. The number to get SMU from the American is likely 6 or 7 mil which is the ballpark of the Americans ESPN deal.

If whoever is left does have a higher earning potential than 4 mil then they can get someone to jump from the Mountain West. Theres no reason for the conference to fold if its still more profitable than the one it would raid

Maybe in name only does the Pac12 survive. Because other than Oregon State, Washington State and maybe Cal- every other team would find a new home. If George K presents Pac 12 schools a media deal under $35M/school/year- pretty good chance schools are going to jump ship.

If the Big10 or SEC don't take the Pac12 schools, the Big12 will.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

Minny rumor most likely started by the P12

 

[WhoISthis]

The reason we hired Yormark was not just to be a deal maker, but more importantly to be a disrupter. I don't think it is an accident that we get rumors like the Big 12 courting Minnesota.

There’s no disruption value. No one believes it. And if it occurred, no one cares.MN doesn’t really help the Big 12, and the Big 12 certainly doesn’t help MN. One more spot for another school.

 

[CascadeClone]

A rumor like that coming from Yormark would make me strongly question his judgment. It makes the Big 12 look silly.

Its more likely continued flailing from Kliavkoff making crap up than Yormark.

edit: Boxer beat me to it

 

[2speedy1]

I mean this sincerely I think this weird online market of young women making a living off sticking their butt out on instagram is honestly just gross. I guess I've become a prude in my old age.

I guess if it is an asset you got, then use it. My only issue is if they do this, or similar, I get annoyed when they then complain that they are getting objectified. Of course you are. This is what you want, this is how you get attention, it is the entire point of what you do, and how you do it.

Then they call men pigs etc for looking, even though that is exactly what their entire point of doing what they're doing is. It is just that when you put out a little honey you don't just attract your ideal audience, you attract them all, so they can't complain that they attracted the undesirable audience as well as their desirable.

That is just my 2 cents on that.