Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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The Utah schools and the Arizona schools should have been added around 2002 if the big 12 was run properly, but nobody had any vision

It is worse than that- a lot of schools always had the exit in their vision.

The product of a conference that was most recently formed for TV money. The looking for more, free agent culture and mindset never left
 

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A bit more detail on this "loose partnership" which looks a little...underdeveloped at this point. Seems a bit like they're grasping for anything, but still notable that it appears to have been the ACC's idea and thus far does not include a relationship with the Big 12.

 

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A bit more detail on this "loose partnership" which looks a little...underdeveloped at this point. Seems a bit like they're grasping for anything, but still notable that it appears to have been the ACC's idea and thus far does not include a relationship with the Big 12.

Screams of desperation in my mind… but all options are needed for the PAC12 potential survival.
Time for the Big 12 death blow.
 
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A bit more detail on this "loose partnership" which looks a little...underdeveloped at this point. Seems a bit like they're grasping for anything, but still notable that it appears to have been the ACC's idea and thus far does not include a relationship with the Big 12.


Just another piece of evidence that the Big 12 should be doing anything possible to act fast.

If there is any way to peel off the Arizona schools, or just Utah and Colorado, or whatever, get it done in the next few days. Give them full media rights shares from the jump. The most important thing is not to give the other leagues time to figure out how to exclude you from their schemes, which is what the ACC is floating here.
 

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A bit more detail on this "loose partnership" which looks a little...underdeveloped at this point. Seems a bit like they're grasping for anything, but still notable that it appears to have been the ACC's idea and thus far does not include a relationship with the Big 12.


It is not surprising it is the ACC's idea- with all the public wallowing by their ADs and presidents, they are clearly unhappy, realize there is not much they can do, and equally desperate.
 

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Just another piece of evidence that the Big 12 should be doing anything possible to act fast.

If there is any way to peel off the Arizona schools, or just Utah and Colorado, or whatever, get it done in the next few days. Give them full media rights shares from the jump. The most important thing is not to give the other leagues time to figure out how to exclude you from their schemes, which is what the ACC is floating here.
There’s a reason why the ACC and PAC are rumored to partner. They’re in the weaker position compared to the Big 12. To me it signals the Big 12 is attempting to make some moves behind the scenes.
 

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Timing is interesting if they want to hurry to get a tentative number from FOX/whoever that they can show the mountain schools and say that staying is better for them.

Keep in mind it’s 9:00 AM on the west coast so this meeting was even earlier than that. Seems like trying to get ahead of the Big 12 meeting today.

I agree with other posters that this reeks of desperation.

I struggle with why even do this. To prove to the remaining teams that your value per school is in the tank? If the value comes in at $30mil per team as projected that is even less than the ACC. Why would any schools stay?

If I were PAC 12 administrators, I would focus 1) Merger (ok if Big 12 says no thank you this time), 2) Expansion (much rather have our four than any of the other viable options) and 3) concessions to Wash/Oregon to stay. Let the media deal play out after stabilizing. They are not in a position of strength negotiating now.
 

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Disagree that attendance numbers don’t matter. They can be a reasonable proxy for willingness of a fanbase to proactively seek out and pay for content in a new media world. TV ratings are more important, but there’s a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy that makes it hard to judge. You can’t compare an FS1 game to an ABC game. Opponent, time slot and network have massive influence. For example, Oregon looks way better than ISU, but if you compare ABC, Fox, and ESPN games they are very similar, Oregon just had more such games.
Attendance numbers truly don’t matter. USC/UCLA had no attendance last season and their ratings are the exact same as ISU. OSU has had a lot of attendance issues and just a few years ago Michigan was giving away tickets if you bought a Pepsi. Attendance at most schools aligns with if the team is doing well, outside of that for many the schools have made the game experience awful.
 
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It is not surprising it is the ACC's idea- with all the public wallowing by their ADs and presidents, they are clearly unhappy, realize there is not much they can do, and equally desperate.
So wait a minute...we are going to fly wake forest to play Arizona state....and then have Clemson play Oregon to see who gets eliminated from the playoffs so yet another SEC team can get in? This is the stupidest thing ever. Why the he'll would Clemson want to play a game in Vegas in mid December? That's insane, this is total bs.
 

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Attendance numbers truly don’t matter. USC/UCLA had no attendance last season and their ratings are the exact same as ISU. OSU has had a lot of attendance issues and just a few years ago Michigan was giving away tickets if you bought a Pepsi. Attendance at most schools aligns with if the team is doing well, outside of that for many the schools have made the game experience awful.

I've never done a Michigan St gameday, but I've heard it's nothing short of awful, and the university does all it can to discourage it with their gameday policies.
 

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Just another piece of evidence that the Big 12 should be doing anything possible to act fast.

If there is any way to peel off the Arizona schools, or just Utah and Colorado, or whatever, get it done in the next few days. Give them full media rights shares from the jump. The most important thing is not to give the other leagues time to figure out how to exclude you from their schemes, which is what the ACC is floating here.

Seems noteworthy that leftover leagues on both coasts don't want to work with us though, when we're supposedly in the strongest position, right here in the middle of the country with a media deal expiring in a couple years.
 
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Seems noteworthy that leftover leagues on both coasts don't want to work with us though, when we're supposedly in the strongest position, right here in the middle of the country with a media deal expiring in a couple years.

The Big 12 is in a weird position having a roster full of mid-tier Power Five programs and zero elite programs that "move the needle" or whatever Stewart Mandel would say. This Pac-12/ACC "partnership" would make it possible for Oregon to play Clemson in their title game or whatever they call it. That's a premier game that ESPN would pay a lot of money for. The Big 12 couldn't put up a champion as valuable.

I still think the Big 12 is a workhorse conference with passionate fanbases that will put up solid if unspectacular viewership numbers, but this is a Hail Mary by two dying leagues hoping that ESPN will pay them more for it.
 

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The difference is people were using that against ISU, who was #27 in viewership and #21 in attendance. We are using it to describe teams that draw like KU and are in the 50s-70s in viewership.

In short, we are correct, the Mandel’s of the world are clueless or liars.
Sure, we’re those things if you cherry pick our best/most anticipated season ever. But if you look at us historically, we’re not in the top 40 for TV ratings. That’s what other people see….one step away (losing CMC) from going back to relative obscurity.