Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Trice]

Canzano somewhat mildly refutes Dodd's reporting. A Pac source at one of the four corner schools says no meetings are on the books with the Big 12. Maybe this is all a technicality over how we're defining "meetings" but it reads like a full denial that this is as far along as Dodd reports.

Canzano: Oregon Ducks make a wish list, while Pac-12 rallies behind scenes

Ducks covet Big Ten or SEC invite.

www.johncanzano.com

 

[CyFanInIC]

Because they are already in and no big ten school wants to start the president of kicking out low performing members. It’s easy to forget with bama and OSU’s dominance that these things are often cyclical. Not that long ago Clemson was a joke and bama was completely irrelevant.

We also can’t conflate performance with value/money/brand. This isn’t about performance, it’s about dollar bills

 

[MJ271]

I can't stress enough how important it was for UT and OU to announce a year before USC/UCLA.

Absolutely. It seems to me that main (only?) reason that the Big 12 is more likely to absorb some of the PAC-12 schools rather than the other way around is that the Big 12 appears more stable partly by virtue of even still existing right now. But also more stable in that the 8 remaining schools appear to be united and that they already took 4 of of the best expansion candidates off the table.

If USC/UCLA had left last year even just before the Big 12 made their expansion moves, I think it would have been up in the air which conference between the two would be the last one standing.

 

[Macloney]

ISU playing a top 5 KenPom team in February would be appointment TV when outside is -20 degree windchill... How about a November road game against Dana? I'd take 70 degrees and a direct flight over traveling to West Texas and playing Tech

It's going to be awesome!

 

[FriendlySpartan]

We also can’t conflate performance with value/money/brand. This isn’t about performance, it’s about dollar bills

Totally agree, Nebraska has been awful for awhile but still was 12th in ratings last year. That was news to me during the OUT talks becuase I had no idea they drew that kind of audience

 

[cyfan92]

4 pods of 4. Looking back 1 year ago. 100/100 would say this is a home run.

 

[20eyes]

Totally agree, Nebraska has been awful for awhile but still was 12th in ratings last year. That was news to me during the OUT talks becuase I had no idea they drew that kind of audience

Nebraskans hold out a childlike hope for a return to glory. It's cute and sad at the same time.

 

[CyFanInIC]

Totally agree, Nebraska has been awful for awhile but still was 12th in ratings last year. That was news to me during the OUT talks becuase I had no idea they drew that kind of audience

Same goes for Texas. Performance builds the brand. But while performance is cyclical, apparently brand isn’t so much.

Wish this all wasn’t going down but thankfully the Cyclones are peaking at the right time. We would have been Wazzu or Oregon State had the last decade not saved us.

 

[HouClone]

If the Big 10 comes out and says they are done expanding and the rest of the Pac 12 schools stall (presumably to get more time to keep themselves together) during Big 12 / Pac 12 expansion talks, should the Big 12 offer Oregon State and Washington State to put pressure on the rest? We have 4 nice slots to fill to get to 16, and 8 teams available (not considering Cal / Stanford). Oregon State and Washington State know that they will be left out if any of the others leave the conference. This would be their only chance. Even if the Big 12 is not totally on board with Oregon State and Washington State, at least the Big 12 can start discussions with Oregon State and Washington State and can drop this to the Athletic, CBS, and other agencies to keep the pressure on.

 

[20eyes]

Same goes for Texas. Performance builds the brand. But while performance is cyclical, apparently brand isn’t so much.

Wish this all wasn’t going down but thankfully the Cyclones are peaking at the right time. We would have been Wazzu or Oregon State had the last decade not saved us.

In what way(s) are we not? Do we know the value of the conference we're in compared to the B1G and SEC? Sure, we're not in the cold today but what about when the B1G and SEC are finished reshaping CFB. I have realignment fatigue and I'm not alone. I'm about ready to pull the plug rather than wait to see how ISU is gonna get f@cked in the next 12-24 months...

 

[CyJack13]

Indiana has women's water polo. I only know this because they were on a flight to LA that I was on a few months ago. UCLA won't need to drop anything.

Mr. Big Shot here, flying with the Indiana Womens Water Polo team.

 

[2speedy1]

Why?? Basketball matters more than it did I the last round due to streaming.. you get 25+ spots of inventory and guaranteed subscription from August to March.

Obviously football is king. But we are not competitive with the B1G and SEC contract. Why not dominate the conversation from December to April?

Lets be honest, we all agree having a good bball team is a nice addition, and its fun to talk about, but this is completely about Football, and Football money.

The top BBall Schools still only make a fraction of revenue for BBall, than what Football does.

The only people that think BBall matters are from Kansas.

The rest of us just believe its a nice added touch.

 

[Scruff]

Canzano somewhat mildly refutes Dodd's reporting. A Pac source at one of the four corner schools says no meetings are on the books with the Big 12. Maybe this is all a technicality over how we're defining "meetings" but it reads like a full denial that this is as far along as Dodd reports.

Canzano: Oregon Ducks make a wish list, while Pac-12 rallies behind scenes

Ducks covet Big Ten or SEC invite.

www.johncanzano.com

This article just reinforces to me that the corner schools will be joining the Big12. They're at $30mil each if they stay at 10, adding SD St, Fresno, Boise only makes that number smaller. Big 12 is offering more revenue and geographic rivals intact. Ore St and Wash St can attempt to hold back Ore & Wash, but it won't matter that conference is dead. The corner schools are getting a pay raise to leave.

 

[iahawks]

Notre Dame also seems very tied to playing all their rivalry games as often as they can. I don't think anyone outside of them gives a flying **** about ND vs. BC or Wake, but Notre Dame seems to be very into that idea

I also think they revel in the idea that the Big 10 wants them really bad and they keep saying no. They seem to like sticking it to the Big 10.

 

[CyFanInIC]

In what way(s) are we not? Do we know the value of the conference we're in compared to the B1G and SEC? Sure, we're not in the cold today but what about when the B1G and SEC are finished reshaping CFB. I have realignment fatigue and I'm not alone. I'm about ready to pull the plug rather than wait to see how ISU is gonna get f@cked in the next 12-24 months...

Obviously, everything is very fluid but as we stand right now I feel much better about our position due to recent success in football and basketball elevating how were viewed as a brand. We also have geography, viewership, and ratings on our side which all matter.

Also, while things can change, it’s much more likely our conference has significant leverage over the PAC. If we absorb the four corners, there’s no reason to add Wazzu or Oregon State. Likewise, if the PAC added Oklahoma State, Baylor, Kansas and Kansas State, they really wouldn’t have to take us if they didn’t want to. It helps to be the hammer, not the nail.

 

[20eyes]

If the Big 10 comes out and says they are done expanding and the rest of the Pac 12 schools stall (presumably to get more time to keep themselves together) during Big 12 / Pac 12 expansion talks, should the Big 12 offer Oregon State and Washington State to put pressure on the rest? We have 4 nice slots to fill to get to 16, and 8 teams available (not considering Cal / Stanford). Oregon State and Washington State know that they will be left out if any of the others leave the conference. This would be their only chance. Even if the Big 12 is not totally on board with Oregon State and Washington State, at least the Big 12 can start discussions with Oregon State and Washington State and can drop this to the Athletic, CBS, and other agencies to keep the pressure on.

The UT/OU deal was totally unexpected and the USC/UCLA deal even more so. I don't trust any news that comes from these conference commissioners.

 

[cyfan92]

Lets be honest, we all agree having a good bball team is a nice addition, and its fun to talk about, but this is completely about Football, and Football money.

The top BBall Schools still only make a fraction of revenue for BBall, than what Football does.

The only people that think BBall matters are from Kansas.

The rest of us just believe its a nice added touch.

For Tier 1 rights. Yes, football is all that matters. Tier 2 and Tier 3 LOVE basketballs ability to lock in conference fans to a streaming package.

You'd be stunned how many people would keep their subscription to a Big 12 streaming deal in the off-season if they could casually stream non-revenue sports. $10/month times millions of conference fans matters at the lower tiers.

That tier 2 and tier 3 income is how we separate from the ACC as the #3 conference in the NCAA and how we lock in a CFP spot.

 

[HFCS]

ISU playing a top 5 KenPom team in February would be appointment TV when outside is -20 degree windchill... How about a November road game against Dana? I'd take 70 degrees and a direct flight over traveling to West Texas and playing Tech

Houston's two periods of dominance in basketball put them on par with majority of Big 12 schools if not above.

If Phi Slamma Jamma happened at ISU it would still be all we ever talked about. Any fan of modern basketball (pro or college) owes some of their fandom to those teams. Those teams gave birth to above the rim basketball.

vs UCF basketball is a legit gripe...but you're adding three good ones along with the one that has zero history

 

[Kinch]

Canzano somewhat mildly refutes Dodd's reporting. A Pac source at one of the four corner schools says no meetings are on the books with the Big 12. Maybe this is all a technicality over how we're defining "meetings" but it reads like a full denial that this is as far along as Dodd reports.

Canzano: Oregon Ducks make a wish list, while Pac-12 rallies behind scenes

Ducks covet Big Ten or SEC invite.

www.johncanzano.com

So does any Big 12 schools bolt to the Pac 12 as his article implies, or it is click bait?

 

[2speedy1]

What I find funny is when fans of Iowa or Nebraska make comments like " I will allow Notre Dame in the BIG, but never ISU" it sounds like they personally have the ability to grant membership into their club.

When in reality, perhaps in just a few years, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, LSU, USC etc. will form a super super conference and leave behind their smaller schools like Iowa, Nebraska, etc.

Why does Ohio State want to essentially give the same share of revenue to Purdue (for example) than keep double that amount themselves? Because the BIG members have a special brotherhood?

Reality is greed and selfishness are alive in college athletics....but perhaps there will be a group of universities (like ISU) that actually will find a niche in this new market and have fun.

This is why I would like the big 12 to open their arms and be the statue of liberty for us misfit universities:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore"

Let's welcome the Washington States of the world to the conference...after all, I have a lot more fun at a wedding in a barn (big 12), than a wedding at a pretentious cathedral (big 10).

Reality is, the only reason they are still bringing them along now is they need someone to lose and they are still setting up their end game. The next step will be telling them that they dont deserve equal revenue. Then you will hear the Iowa's and Nebbys really start to whine. Especially those that have acted like they are superior just because their great grandfathers joined the club.

Its only a matter of time before they start to eat their own.