To let the big ten settle theirs. Rumors of them having a deal by Labor Day. If they lock that in, then the PAC will have an idea of who they are working with as a conference.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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The merger was already discussed by the 2 conferences and the Big 12 said "yeah, no thanks"
If Kliavkoff can delay finding out what they get from the open market, especially if he knows through back channels it will be low, then he can delay the schools finding out what their deal is worth. This is especially the case for the 4 corners. The longer he can delay the longer it gives him to work something out, or for the Big 12 to move on, or some other change to happen, that is suddenly beneficial to him.
Right now finding out they are not in a good position just means no one is happy, no one agrees to the deal and everyone looks to jump ship. But delaying you hope to figure out a better deal, whether or not that ever happens, and he is just delaying the inevitable.
THAT aspect makes more sense. I was just in PAC mode where you’d want to go to the table with everyone. But it makes more sense if you’ve already heard and the offers aren’t there.
Probably not much you can do though, just a sinking ship.
If WA/WA St and OR/OR St are a package deal to get into the Big XII, they need to be a package deal if part of that packages leaves. Say all four join the Big XII in 2024. OR gets an invite to the Big 10 in 2032 starting in 2034. The Big XII gets to decide if they want to keep OR St or not for the 2034 season and beyond. If they choose to keep them, the deal is off and OR St is a member just as any other. If they choose to cut them off, both parties just go their separate ways.
Oregon State and Washington State aren’t getting into the Big12, so this scenario is irrelevant.
NCAA should do conference realignment like Survivor. Vote programs off the Island. I suggest start with SEC.
It would be nice if NCAA had any power, and they controlled media rights and conferences… you know the way it should be.
You’re easily triggered and confused. The Mandel of CF realignment
First of all since the Big12 is valued more than Pac12, the money is going to say the new conference should include more Big12 teams than Pac12 teams. Your list of teams had 6 Big12 teams & 10 Pac12 teams. That would mean the combined conference would make $30M +/- vs. $40M +/-.
I would agree that a merger discussion makes sense if both conferences are willing to drop their lowest value teams.
I would go with the below for a 16 team conference:
Pac Division
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Utah
BYU
ASU
Arizona
Texas Tech
Big Division
Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Cincy
WVU
That would mean Cal, WSU, OR State, K-State, Houston & UCF would be excluded because they would be the lowest valued schools by the TV Networks. If I'm wrong, swap out team(s) on my list with those I excluded.
I could be convinced to go with 18, 20 or 22 teams if the added teams don't dilute the per school annual payouts by more than $2-3M. But I doubt that is the case.
If the goal is to maximize revenue per school, a Big12 & Pac12 combination probably means fewer than 16 schools.
Thank you for discussing rather than dismissing my premise. I think the reason it’d probably never work is because both sides are unwilling to “trim the fat.” Hard to believe Kansas State would be left out (as delicious as that sounds). I would argue that traditional rivalries will help drive viewership interest in the future. My revised combo would be:
BIG 8:
Baylor
Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Tech
PAC 8:
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Cal
Oregon
Stanford
Utah
Washington
When the entire Big 12, State of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Nebraska vote Texas out first
The Big12 isn’t trimming fat. They are adding PAC schools of equal or greater value, at least combined.. meaning the corner four and Oregon and Washington if willing.
Im not confused about anything, Im just kind of sick of you repeating the same ACC this ACC that over and over.
If that is being triggered I guess, Im guilty.
LOLEdit: and if anyone is the Mandel, you are that, of the ACC.
To be fair, anyone thinking the ACC or PAC will add Big12 schools is a complete idiot. It’s the other way around. The SEC and B1G are the poachers, and the Big12 cleaning the bones.
Im not confused about anything, Im just kind of sick of you repeating the same ACC this ACC that over and over.
If that is being triggered I guess, Im guilty.
Edit: and if anyone is the Mandel, you are that, of the ACC.
Ignore Whoisthis he just an angry little pud He had the same Schick before he got banned with his previous username
Arizona and CU are the same as OrSt and KSU they would most definitely bring the average DOWN. Why are you adding them, because they look nice on a map?
Edit, even combined with ASU and Utah. ASU is average, Utah a bit above average, the whole would seem to be less.
TBH, the map thing doesn't hurt. They are still schools with some respect. And when you're trying to prove that you're a power league, names do matter. I'd take a Colorado with a lesser payout than a team like SDSU with a higher payout (hypothetical, I know they don't really bring that money).
They could be a wash if they provide that late time slot so we cover all available time slots. Right now BYU is about it, and they have to play half their games on the road. So that would mean we would ask half the teams to host one 9 pm game every other year.
