Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I just think it's silly to assume that a team that doesn't play in a CCG is going to leapfrog a bunch of teams that do play in CCGs and get a bye or homefield in the first round. Don't see it happening.
again, what is the gain? What do they gain going in as the #1 team in the conference? If there was no CCG, they would still be in the position of the con champ.
The point I said was the CCG in the current and future system, tends to hurt more than it gains anyone.
And like I said, a team... in the position of champion without a CCG, gains nothing to play it. But very easily can be hurt by it.
Then the argument that if they go to multiple auto bids and no byes, the CCG becomes even more pointless. Well if every team in the top 4 of a conferences is guaranteed a spot in a system, with no byes, etc. Then tell me how the CCG does anything in that scenario to help anything. With 4 autobids, the CCGs are pointless, and the extra game, means more fatigue and injury possibilities for those 2 teams, supposedly in a better position that those below. The CCG will only be a detriment to the top 2 teams in the conference at that point.
4 autobids, especially with no byes, I cant see any benefit in reality, for the top 2 teams playing a CCG, but I can see a lot of negatives.
And my point is that this is not backed up by any actual facts. Playing in the CCG was an absolute benefit for all the participants from the B1G, SEC, Big 12, and ACC. Ask Alabama how big a benefit it was to not play in the CCG.
If you’re talking about just going into the playoffs, their probably isn’t much to gain with the current seeding system for the teams playing in the championship game.
For determining the conference championship though there is alot to be gained. And that still has a ton of value
Alabama.... was hurt by their record and not being in the top 2 of the conference, which if they were, they would have been in the playoff regardless.
Thats like saying ask Kansas, how not playing the CCG was not a good thing. Well duh. They were not in the top 2 so of course. But if there was no CCG they would be in the same position.
A CFP that gives the Big 12 (and ACC for now) exclusivity on auto berths outside of BIG/SEC is tenable. We may struggle to keep top players and coaches, but the season will have impact on CFB, and our recruiting not much different than now
Imo the issue is it will spill over to basketball, particularly if revenue sharing caps and NIL aren’t capped low enough
We’re already not going to use 15 scholarships in MBB- that wouldn’t happen if getting P2 revenue
Then there’s 2032 when the P2 will be even stronger, and able to get special treatment in revenue sharing of a new CBB postseason
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Yeah and if Bama had played in the CCG they would've had a shot at making it in.
Again, we're only 1 year into the CFP but saying that playing in the CCG has done more harm than good for teams isn't backed up by the facts. Oregon, PSU, Georgia, Texas, ASU, Clemson, SMU... all benefited by playing in their conference CCG. And not playing in the CCG did more harm than good to tOSU and Tennessee.
So determining a conference championship..... by CCG is more valuable, than say just having a champion crowned by winning the regular season?
The only value I see in that scenario is the money for playing that game.
Top 4 teams get autobids. Coming out of the regular season, OSU is the #1 team in the B1G, and would be the Champ without a CCG. What is their benefit to play said CCG? What is the HUGE value for them? What do they gain by playing that game, as far as the playoff is considered, in a 16 team playoff with the B1G getting 4 auto bids and no byes.
What does the B12 gain by playing a CCG with 2 autobids and the byes only going to the SEC and B1G? The 2 teams going into the CCG would already be in the playoff with the auto bid. They would not gain one of the byes, if 14 teams. They only get more fatigue and injuries moving into the playoff, while gaining really nothing.
I didnt say it has done more harm than good. I said moving forward in the current system it will. The point is the gain is limited, and there is more chance at it being a detriment.
Again Alabama was hurt because they were not in the top 2 of the conference, NOT because they didnt play in that game.
My god why am I arguing this with 2 B1G homers, on an ISU page.
Like I said as far as the playoffs go, especially if the autobids are expanding there is little benifit to conference championship games.
You basically can’t determine a conference champ in the regular season without a conference championship game with the size of the conferences. Best two teams should get a chance to play in the event they haven’t and have the same record
They can say they got rolled due to playing on the road then at a neutral site lol.
Btw I think you two are debating past each other because you are talking about the champ games with the new format (that we still don’t know what it will look like) vs the old format which he is referring to
If you cant determine a champ without a CCG, then how do they determine the top 2 that get into said CCG?
Its not like any conference has divisions now, that they take the division champs, its all by records and tiebreakers. The top 2 before said CCG are determined by those same rules.
And I said outside of the byes, what is the benefit? Yes, determining the byes was a benefit, at least for some, that recieved said byes. But moving forward with less or no byes, the benefits are extremely limited. And if they determined the byes by conference champion, by season results, the CCG also doesnt help most. Unless you play into said spot, by upsetting the top team in your conference. Which can actually hurt you and drop your conference out of said bye. ie SMU.
Yes and then those top two play each other to determine who the winner is. Mainly due those two having a high likelihood of not playing each other already. It’s a pretty simple and easy way to determine the champion that no one has a problem with as opposed to just crowing the person with the best record incase they had an Indiana level schedule
Do you seriously think if SMU hadn't played in the ACC title game they would have been given a CFP spot?
I totally agree with you which is why I brought up that you are talking two different scenarios.
In a 14 team playoff with the autobid structure being discussed there is very little benefit to a championship game when it comes to the playoff. There is simply the benefit of having one to determine the championship.
You might have the odd year where a team is ranked higher then a team that gets into the championship due to scheduling but that’s kinda an outlier.
