I’d actually prefer the Big12 champ being guaranteed a home game than a bye. The conference needs some wins to gain respect. Having home games in the first round is more likely to happen than neutral games in the second round against teams with a game under their belt already. Bye teams struggled out of the gate in their games this year.
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I’d actually prefer the Big12 champ being guaranteed a home game than a bye. The conference needs some wins to gain respect. Having home games in the first round is more likely to happen than neutral games in the second round against teams with a game under their belt already. Bye teams struggled out of the gate in their games this year.
Yep. But it will still have an impact on seeding, possibility of having a first round game at home, etc. Just saying that to think the CCG isn't going to matter is nonsense IMO.
It'll probably still impact whether they play first round game at home or on the road.
Not nearly as much which is likely why they eventually go away thanks to the BS that are oversized conferences.
Yeah won’t really know the effects till the scenarios get settled, apparently the Big12 and ACC agreed to essentially give the P2 full control of how the new format looks so honestly anything could be on the table when the power is that consolidated.
Not a fan of it but I understand why they agreed to it
You could be right they could go away in the future but while they are the current way of determining the conference champion they matter.
What is happening is they matter less and less. And if anything what this last year showed is going forward in this system they hurt you more than they gain. But that is also why the SEC and B1G want so many auto bids, because they want to make sure the CCG wont hurt them. They want to make sure that not only the 2 in the CCG are guaranteed spots regardless of the outcome, but also give their other teams a spot. Like Alabama and Ol miss this year, and we all saw how much of a joke the thinking was that they belonged.
Just makes me hate anything SEC and B1G more and more all the time.
How did "they hurt you more than they gain" you? Oregon won the B1G title game and got a bye. Penn St. made it to the B1G title game and lost, but got a higher seed and a much easier CFP path than Ohio St. How is that worse for either than not playing in the CCG?
I don’t think it hurt anyone being in the championship game, what hurt was deciding the seeding was going to be locked up based on the conference winners.
Btw I agree with your SEC overrated this year arguments but Ole miss probably isn’t the best example as they rolled in their bowl game and Bama did lose to Michigan.
Without the auto bids they would most likely still get the same number of teams in. This at least gets the Big12 and ACC 2 bids automatically which is awesome for the big 12
Did all the CCG losers get in?
The point is, a team say ranked #1 going into the CCG, gets upset, then gets dropped out of a Bye or to a lower seed.
Meaning before the CCG they were in the position, to take the #1 seed. The CCG hurt them, by losing. Winning the CCG in that instance would do nothing to help or advance their position. They can only go down with that game. Ie the CCG can only hurt them.
take a hypothetical top 5 of:
#1 Georgia
#2 Ohio St
#3 Utah
#4 Florida St
#5 Notre Dame
The only one that is guaranteed to not lose a CCG and lose standing is ND. If there were no CCGs that they would all go in in that order. But any of those losing the CCG would mean losing spots and their counterpart in their conference is not guaranteed to replace them in the same spot. Let say in this scenario Utah loses to a 12th ranked ISU. ISU would move up, but in no way would they move to #3 seed. Especially if they move to 14 or 16 teams without byes.
In the new system teams have more chance of the CCG hurting them than helping. The only way it really helps is if they need to win to get in and do, but that will go away too with multiple auto bids.
I have got the perfect solution to make all CCGs matter. Top 4 in each of the 4 conferences have a 4 team playoff. ND can somehow be seeded within the ACC's playoff. Using this season's results:
Current CCG Weekend:
B10: (4) Indiana at (1) Oregon; (3) Ohio St at (2) Penn St
SEC: (4) Texas A&M at (1) Texas; (3) Alabama at (2) Georgia
ACC: (4) Miami FL at (1) Notre Dame; (3) Clemson at (2) SMU
B12: (4) Colorado at (1) Arizona St; (3) BYU at (2) ISU
Two weeks later => CCGs at existing CCG venues. Sankey's SEC CCG remains iconic.
NYD: Two semi-final games at Bowl venues
National championship =>10 days later
Fox now gets a cut of the 16 team playoff with B10 and B12 games. Regular season conference games still maintain huge value. More money for everyone.
Only thing the CFP Committee does is seed the four conference winners. No selection involved except in the case of ND.
G5 can have a separate playoff which has been long overdue. Can be subsidized by P4 playoff.
Even the B10 fanboys can be in favor of this.
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Yeah but that didn't happen. You said what this last year showed is that playing in the CCG hurts you more than it gains you and that's not true. At least it wasn't true for the B1G or SEC.
So in this scenario it’s basically a 4 team playoff of whoever wins the conference championship games?
That’s basically what we already had before the playoffs expanded
No, you're forgetting the B10 and Fox destroyed the PAC.
Ah yes and there it is, it only matters if it matters to the B1G and SEC, which is the problem.
If there is no upset in the CCGs, then it doesnt hurt anyone..... but in reality it doesnt help. Because if there was no CCG and the Con champ regardless got the autobid and bye, then.... they were not helped, just stayed where they are.
If there is an upset, which regularly happens, then the conference is hurt, because their higher ranked team loses and therefore drops their ranking and seed, even with auto bids and byes.
Tell me how a CCG helps a team already ranked higher and already in first place in their conference? Tell me how it helps the conference for that team to play that game, outside, money.
I agree with you on this.
I think Oregon being an Undefeated B1G Regular Season Champion is more important than Ohio State being a 4th place B1G, 2-loss National Tourament Champion.
I think lots of people agree with you on this point. I’ve seen speculation that the ACC and Big12 will have their conference winner not play in the CCG and have that game instead be the #2 vs #3 for the chance at the conference’s second auto bid.
Hahaha obv want the natty but this was it give Oregon some hardware to take home and a conference champ in their first year. Still a win.
Well that's kind of a nonsense question because any team ranked first in their conference will be playing in their CCG. What's the upside? Winning will ensure at the very least (16 team CFP) they get a first round home game. Yes, losing in the CCG will hurt them but it won't hurt them any more than not playing in the CCG, as we saw with PSU and tOSU.
