Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Big_Sill]

Colorado and UConn would be a fail. I hope people are right about Arizona.

GK may have been incompetent so far, but he will come up with something as a final pitch. Kinda like the B12 being saved at the LAST moment in 2010.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Still curious about Scheer's tweet that the 2nd option was one you might not expect.

 

[Daserop]

Ya don't say.

 

[BCClone]

I hope AZ jumps and the PAC survives. Makes the b12 look stronger.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Colorado and UConn would be a fail. I hope people are right about Arizona.

GK may have been incompetent so far, but he will come up with something as a final pitch. Kinda like the B12 being saved at the LAST moment in 2010.

I've been in quite a few negotiations (obviously not at this level) and one thing that is pretty universal is that once it starts to unravel and your first pitch has failed to keep people from looking elsewhere, the next deal you present has to be that much better. I sincerely doubt that they have all that much left in the tank considering that their previous presentation was known to be critical.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I hope AZ jumps and the PAC survives. Makes the b12 look stronger.

I want it to disintegrate as that brings the possibility of 16 in play, hopefully Washington and Oregon, but I'd take ASU and Utah (the latter grudgingly).

 

[NWICY]

You guys need better vision for a worst case scenario. After all, we are Iowa State.

- Kliavkoff announces a blockbuster PAC/ACC merger with a pending media deal close to SEC per-school

- Notre Dame shrugs, says they’re on board with B1G

- B1G swoops in to add Kansas as well

- Yormark overreacts, adds UConn … plus USF, Tulsa, and the Colorado School of Mines

- FOX/ESPN say whoa, there, that wasn’t our deal, sorry, here’s $15 million as a parting gift but we’re done with the B12

- Okie State, Cincinnati & WVU head to the PACACC

- Iowa State asks if the MWC still has an opening

See? You gotta start really thinking outside the box for WORSE worst case scenarios.

WOW, you did that scarily well.

 

[AuH2O]

Pretend BYU is Iowa and Utah is Iowa State to get a sense for that dislike.

Which is exactly what we want in the league. We need as many hated rivals as possible.

While I would rather have Arizona, I dont see a difference in media value from UConn. The only games Arizona would get viewers where they had anything to do with it is vs ASU. Otherwise it was USC and Oregon.

Ya don't say.

And Utah fans are going to figure this out. Utah football is good and they have a passionate fanbase that fits in the big 12.

The whole “doubling up” markets has zero relevance in the Big 12. I’d rather have all four corners and get two great rivalries.

 

[cysmiley]

Seriously, though, the downside from today would be if somehow Kliavkoff’s deal is enough to hold the PAC9 together, and then they likely add SDSU (we know they’d go).

The B12 would need a 14th for 9 conference games - in this situation UConn would be the most likely.

I don’t particularly like that outcome - adding Colorado and UConn while the PAC stumbles along trying to consolidate is not much of a “win” - but financially it’d be all right for a while.

Then we wait for the ACC.

Yeah, I feel that its kind of a status quo move, maybe gives us a little more stability for awhile (5 years) but it also solidifies the gap between us and the P2. Know the're people who hope seperate BBall and football contracts will help, but think the media outlets will just lower payouts for base contract and then put that money to get BBall. Also don't think this outcome will help us in the next go around vis-a-vis the ACC, the expanded playoff, and holding off the PAC. But I guess we will see in 5 or so years if this becomes the outcome.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Here’s the real reason, I think, I’m kinda down on UConn.

Look at what Bowlsby did to save the conference after A&M spilled the beans on Oklahoma and Texas bailing. BYU was a home run in my book; Cincinnati and Houston were also solid additions. UCF I was a little less enamored with, mainly due to geography, but okay.

Both Colorado and UConn fit in the “just okay” category, which doesn’t seem like a smart way to use slots 13 and 14 in the current environment; BUT Colorado comes with a couple of factors that really elevate them:

- former Big 8 member coming home
- a step towards taking the legs out from under the PAC in the battle for number 3 behind the P2

And that’s what I thought this entire round of B12 expansion was all about. Not expansion for expansion’s sake, but seeing the PAC’s weakness in the media market, it’s bewilderment at losing USC/UCLA, and taking advantage of it. Yormark was brilliant to get the media deal done early and cut in line ahead of the PAC; the next step was wooing two or four PAC members away to stick a fork in the PAC.

Colorado alone doesn’t do that. And Colorado plus UConn isn’t any kind of an expansion home run. It’s okay, I guess … I’m just hoping for more.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Showdown day!!!

 

[KidSilverhair]

Also don't think this outcome will help us in the next go around vis-a-vis the ACC, the expanded playoff, and holding off the PAC. But I guess we will see in 5 or so years if this becomes the outcome.

Im kinda with you on this. Giving the PAC a knockout blow by taking two or four members sets up the B12 in a good place to solidify media numbers and be an attractive location for ACC teams looking for refuge in a few years. Just Colorado and UConn? I don’t think that does the same, and won’t really help woo schools like Pitt or NC State down the road.

 

[Clonefan94]

I’m honestly confused by anyone staying in the PAC, not named UO or UW that has a lifeline to the Big 12. UW and OU have all but said, they are holding out for the Bi10/SEC. They aren’t going to sign any kind of long term GOR, unless the money is so bad it’s an easy buyout.

My opionion is that if the PAC stays together, UConn isn’t the worst add. The teams in the PAC will become completely irrelevant in 5 years with a streaming only platform, money closer to G5 than P5 and UW and OU looking for a way out. If these schools are so headstrong about being in the PAC, while taking a huge monetary hit, so be it. I don’t think they would ever really fit in the Big 12.

It’s not like in 5 years that billion dollar contract will show up for the PAC. Oregon and Washington don’t plan on staying. The only reason, if it’s true, they want to stay now is they see a Big10/SEC offer coming in the future and it will be easier to get out of the PAC than the Big 12. I just don’t get the loyalty when that loyalty is to a couple teams scheming for a way out. Of course, this is hindsight for us, so maybe they just don’t think it will happen to them.

 

[KidSilverhair]

WOW, you did that scarily well.

We’ve had some experience, haven’t we?

 

[ISUCubswin]

Just so I'm prepared, what's the worse case scenario for today? After all, I've been an ISU fan for 50 years so I want to steel myself just in case.

Pac 12s proposal is so sexy Arizona wants to stay

UCONN gets invited to the Premier League

The sun blows up

 

[CyCoug]

Pretend BYU is Iowa and Utah is Iowa State to get a sense for that dislike.

Yes, but even stronger. The two schools are closer geographically. And very different culturally. The “holier-than-thou saints” vs the “hedonistic heathens” speaking in extreme stereotypes.

 

[CoachHines3]

Showdown day!!!

 

[RezClone]

Ya don't say.

And Iowa State is the capital of fan engagement. It really is one of the best kept secrets in CFB.

It's a double edged sword because it's hard to quantify and prove, you just have to be part of it somehow to know. It's the only reason this site exists in the form it does.

 

[Clonehomer]

I want it to disintegrate as that brings the possibility of 16 in play, hopefully Washington and Oregon, but I'd take ASU and Utah (the latter grudgingly).

To me, the bigger impact to the PAC dissolving is how that plays into the CFP. With 4 power conferences, that sets up nicely for the conference champions to get automatic byes in the first round. Then the remaining 8 are all at-large selections with some guarantees to the other conferences for qualifying teams.

 

[RezClone]

So...F*** Utah?

They're like the girl who thought she was too good for you and shut you down over and over.... but then wants to try and hit you up years later after her messy divorce and a dose of reality.

Judging by a decade on CF, I KNOW all of you can relate.