Exactly. I get my job done, My boss leaves me alone. I have worked the same job for 12 years. I don't need him to help me with anything and if I do I will message him. It does him no good to constantly micro manage me. The best managers understand that. The worst ones are constantly hiring new people because their best employees quit.
I was reading a thread on Reddit which made me think of this thread. Clearly I'm in the minority here and a ton of people either can't understand my point about community or think it's just more fun to make fun of me about it. Anyway - that Reddit thread was about having friendships with coworkers - some people have a really strong feeling that they do not want to have any kind of friendship or engagement with coworkers and were basically saying don't do it because it can only lead to bad things. Others (AKA the people like me) were saying that feels like a really unfulfilling way to approach a huge chunk of your life. And it kind of made this stuff make sense to me as to why some people feel so differently about this. I always thought I was someone who had a pretty firm boundary between work and my personal life because I don't answer work calls or emails outside working hours but I realized I'm not anywhere near as firm about that as a lot of people.
I do personally have several friendships with coworkers and often hang out outside of work with people that I work with. They aren't my only friends, but a lot of my friends are people I've met through work or from when I was in school. I personally think it makes my life better to have a personal relationship with coworkers. It doesn't mean I buy into corporate BS or that I thank my corporate overlords for bringing me together with people, etc. It just means the people I work with are people I have a lot in common with and I enjoy spending time with them. So, I forget that there are a ton of people out there who want to come to work, put on the noise cancelling headphones, and go home ideally without speaking a word to anyone. Or, ideally just work from home and never have to see or talk to anyone else.
And to the point you and BryceC made - In my own frame of reference, it seems hard to believe that a person could come and work in an office environment or probably any environment and not hear offhanded opinionated comments about politics, or company policies that are based on politics or social issues. I know which of my coworkers are liberal or conservative, which ones are moderate or apolitical, which ones believe in conspiracy theories, etc just from listening to what they say in meetings or when having conversations with me. At a minimum, I would think everyone would know who has strong opinions or is hard to work with on strictly work related topics. But not everyone works that way.
Anyway, just thought I'd leave one last comment in this thread for you all to mark as dumb
Yep, everything is black and white. People either do their job or fire them. Got it. You should write a book.
I think a lot of what you said is valid, and people need to understand we’re all not a monolith. The fact is men have a loneliness problem as they age. Ignoring it won’t make it go away. Hopefully society and men in general can find other ways to connect.I was reading a thread on Reddit which made me think of this thread. Clearly I'm in the minority here and a ton of people either can't understand my point about community or think it's just more fun to make fun of me about it. Anyway - that Reddit thread was about having friendships with coworkers - some people have a really strong feeling that they do not want to have any kind of friendship or engagement with coworkers and were basically saying don't do it because it can only lead to bad things. Others (AKA the people like me) were saying that feels like a really unfulfilling way to approach a huge chunk of your life. And it kind of made this stuff make sense to me as to why some people feel so differently about this. I always thought I was someone who had a pretty firm boundary between work and my personal life because I don't answer work calls or emails outside working hours but I realized I'm not anywhere near as firm about that as a lot of people.
I do personally have several friendships with coworkers and often hang out outside of work with people that I work with. They aren't my only friends, but a lot of my friends are people I've met through work or from when I was in school. I personally think it makes my life better to have a personal relationship with coworkers. It doesn't mean I buy into corporate BS or that I thank my corporate overlords for bringing me together with people, etc. It just means the people I work with are people I have a lot in common with and I enjoy spending time with them. So, I forget that there are a ton of people out there who want to come to work, put on the noise cancelling headphones, and go home ideally without speaking a word to anyone. Or, ideally just work from home and never have to see or talk to anyone else.
And to the point you and BryceC made - In my own frame of reference, it seems hard to believe that a person could come and work in an office environment or probably any environment and not hear offhanded opinionated comments about politics, or company policies that are based on politics or social issues. I know which of my coworkers are liberal or conservative, which ones are moderate or apolitical, which ones believe in conspiracy theories, etc just from listening to what they say in meetings or when having conversations with me. At a minimum, I would think everyone would know who has strong opinions or is hard to work with on strictly work related topics. But not everyone works that way.
Anyway, just thought I'd leave one last comment in this thread for you all to mark as dumb
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I treat an employee survey like Kim Jong Un himself is staring over my shoulder.
We get yearly anonymous surveys at work. If we don’t fill them out we get an email asking why we haven’t filled out the survey yet. If it’s anonymous then how do you know I didn’t fill it out?
We need big bodies of water. Open to development. That is the drawing card we could create. Just throwing that out there. I have more to say but it would belong in basement of this site.
Yeah, I had one at a prior employer that started with "Hello Jeremy, below is your personalized, anonymous survey link"...
Or because they feel they need to know others business. My peer is terrible for this. Wastes so much time of others because she needs to know what everyone is doing but can't bother to look it up in the systems herself.
