Post Wrestlemania - Extreme Rules Thread
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Cena's opening speech (Bray is evil, blah, blah) rang totally hollow even for pro wrestling.
The one thing he's good at should at least make a tiny bit of sense.
I watched more Raw than I usually do and it came across as sloppy as he11. It looked like they told Cesaro-Swagger, "Guys, we need 10 minutes out of you, get out there". Two pretty good performers whiffed on almost all their moves.
The rebirth of Evolution is one of the bigger deadends they've ventured down.
The one thing he's good at should at least make a tiny bit of sense.
I watched more Raw than I usually do and it came across as sloppy as he11. It looked like they told Cesaro-Swagger, "Guys, we need 10 minutes out of you, get out there". Two pretty good performers whiffed on almost all their moves.
The rebirth of Evolution is one of the bigger deadends they've ventured down.
The closer we get to Sunday, the more I wonder why Bray Wyatt would even want to escape the cage. Is the cage match the type that pins are allowed or is it the kind that you must escape to win? Seems he'd be much less interested in escaping and much more interested in destroying.
I guess all this talk about "keeping his message in that cage" would be motivation for Wyatt to escape and spread his word.. Just please don't bury him WWE..
Follow the buzzards..
I guess all this talk about "keeping his message in that cage" would be motivation for Wyatt to escape and spread his word.. Just please don't bury him WWE..
Follow the buzzards..
While it was nice to see flair his part was a dud. He should of said something to the effect of how do you do a evolution reunion without me angle and sided with shield that way.
CycloneErik
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Anymore, it's always about escaping the cage.
To me, that defeats half the purpose of the steel cage, since it used to be about locking in the opponent for the fight of their life (while locking out interference as well).
I want pins to count in the cage. It won't be that way.
Maybe the team that executes inmates in Oklahoma should just use this hour long video next time.
Prediction Time
Hornswoggle vs. El Torito - Nobody wins from this. Not going to bother picking a winner.
RVD vs. Swagger vs. Cesaro - Cesaro is in the middle of a push, so logically Cesaro should win. My guess is that he pins RVD and either Cesaro's feud with Swagger gets dropped after Sunday or they end it at Payback.
Rusev vs. Truth & Woods - Squash match for Rusev, so Rusev
Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena - If WWE knows what they are doing it should be Bray that wins. Bray is getting pretty close to the territory Ryback was in last year, and we know how that turned out. While a Cena heel turn is pretty much out of the question(That Make a Wish thing they played on Raw made me feel it wasn't happening.), some really interesting storylines could come out of Cena failing to stop the spread of Bray Wyatt's message.
Big E vs. BNB - Barret wins. WWE wants to keep pushing Barrett, and either is done with Langston or thinks he is ready for bigger things. Langston has held the title for 5 months so far, which is a decent amount of time imo. It just feels like it's time for them to change the title holder.
Paige vs. Tamina - This is going to Paige. Paige is also in the middle of a push like Cesaro, Barrett, and Rusev are right now. It wouldn't make any sense for her to drop it now unless they want her buried.
Kane vs. Daniel Bryan - Another pretty easy pick. Kane is at the age where he's putting over guys instead of taking titles off of them, and Bryan just won the title. I'm kinda surprised they didn't put more emphasis on their former tag team.
Evolution vs. Shield - Not sure where this one is going. If Batista is taking time off after ER then Shield for sure, if not then it's a toss up. My guess is that they will have Evolution win to continue on with the storyline in controversial fashion to set up for Payback. Something big will happen here, I'm just not sure what.
Hornswoggle vs. El Torito - Nobody wins from this. Not going to bother picking a winner.
RVD vs. Swagger vs. Cesaro - Cesaro is in the middle of a push, so logically Cesaro should win. My guess is that he pins RVD and either Cesaro's feud with Swagger gets dropped after Sunday or they end it at Payback.
Rusev vs. Truth & Woods - Squash match for Rusev, so Rusev
Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena - If WWE knows what they are doing it should be Bray that wins. Bray is getting pretty close to the territory Ryback was in last year, and we know how that turned out. While a Cena heel turn is pretty much out of the question(That Make a Wish thing they played on Raw made me feel it wasn't happening.), some really interesting storylines could come out of Cena failing to stop the spread of Bray Wyatt's message.
Big E vs. BNB - Barret wins. WWE wants to keep pushing Barrett, and either is done with Langston or thinks he is ready for bigger things. Langston has held the title for 5 months so far, which is a decent amount of time imo. It just feels like it's time for them to change the title holder.
Paige vs. Tamina - This is going to Paige. Paige is also in the middle of a push like Cesaro, Barrett, and Rusev are right now. It wouldn't make any sense for her to drop it now unless they want her buried.
Kane vs. Daniel Bryan - Another pretty easy pick. Kane is at the age where he's putting over guys instead of taking titles off of them, and Bryan just won the title. I'm kinda surprised they didn't put more emphasis on their former tag team.
Evolution vs. Shield - Not sure where this one is going. If Batista is taking time off after ER then Shield for sure, if not then it's a toss up. My guess is that they will have Evolution win to continue on with the storyline in controversial fashion to set up for Payback. Something big will happen here, I'm just not sure what.
I think Paige is going to win at ER, She hasn't got much attention (IE Backstage attention) outside of the ring leading up to ER.
She's gotten a sit down interview in place of TH being sick for his weekly address though
I think she's going to keep the Divas title at least for a bit longer, Since London is coming up.
She's gotten a sit down interview in place of TH being sick for his weekly address though
I think she's going to keep the Divas title at least for a bit longer, Since London is coming up.
Current WWE thoughts.
I STILL can't stand Cesaro. I've watched and watched him...can't stand how he just looks aging. Just shave your head dude, and stop the stupid hand gestures. He sucks on the mic, spinning a guy in a circle is boring, and yes he's strong, but common all these guys are ripped. The only thing I like about him is Paul Heyman. Yes, he's a decent wrestler, but he looked sloppy on RAW this week.
BNB - not a fan of this guy either. In my opinion, if the WWE has to re-invent you (Wade Barret to BNB and Antonion Cesaro to just "Cesaro") most of the time its because you weren't that great. Obviously there are exceptions to this as personalities evolve. He is a boring wrestler, but at least is decent on a mic.
Cena vs. Bray. IMO Cena will never be a heel. The closest he'll get is go on a huge vendetta against whoever is in charge if they have "wronged" the WWE. Storylines with Cena usually suck unelss you can get the whole "Cena, if you don't beat Punk (or whoever), then you're fired."
RVD - in his mid 40s and still an amazing wrestler. Not the greatest mic guy, but when he is in the ring, I don't fast forward like I do most boring matches.
Heyman/Lesnar. Paul Heyman is so good at being annoying, that he is my favorite part about WWE right now. He plays the part of the villain to perfection. One of the best promoters the WWE has ever seen.
Curtis Axle and Ryback. Did the WWE just give up on these guys? For awhile, they promoted Axle as the next Heyman guy to go to the top, and Ryback was getting championship matches. Ryback was better when he was mysterious and didn't really ever talk besides "feed me more."
Shamus - always have loved this dude and hope he gets back into story lines more than he has.
Ziggler - I wish he had some kind of push to get to the top. He can take a punch like no one and sell it.
Kane vs. DB - IMO, DB is at his best when he gets screwed over and over and over and finally gets over. He just got over at WM30, so my guess is Kane wins.
I STILL can't stand Cesaro. I've watched and watched him...can't stand how he just looks aging. Just shave your head dude, and stop the stupid hand gestures. He sucks on the mic, spinning a guy in a circle is boring, and yes he's strong, but common all these guys are ripped. The only thing I like about him is Paul Heyman. Yes, he's a decent wrestler, but he looked sloppy on RAW this week.
BNB - not a fan of this guy either. In my opinion, if the WWE has to re-invent you (Wade Barret to BNB and Antonion Cesaro to just "Cesaro") most of the time its because you weren't that great. Obviously there are exceptions to this as personalities evolve. He is a boring wrestler, but at least is decent on a mic.
Cena vs. Bray. IMO Cena will never be a heel. The closest he'll get is go on a huge vendetta against whoever is in charge if they have "wronged" the WWE. Storylines with Cena usually suck unelss you can get the whole "Cena, if you don't beat Punk (or whoever), then you're fired."
RVD - in his mid 40s and still an amazing wrestler. Not the greatest mic guy, but when he is in the ring, I don't fast forward like I do most boring matches.
Heyman/Lesnar. Paul Heyman is so good at being annoying, that he is my favorite part about WWE right now. He plays the part of the villain to perfection. One of the best promoters the WWE has ever seen.
Curtis Axle and Ryback. Did the WWE just give up on these guys? For awhile, they promoted Axle as the next Heyman guy to go to the top, and Ryback was getting championship matches. Ryback was better when he was mysterious and didn't really ever talk besides "feed me more."
Shamus - always have loved this dude and hope he gets back into story lines more than he has.
Ziggler - I wish he had some kind of push to get to the top. He can take a punch like no one and sell it.
Kane vs. DB - IMO, DB is at his best when he gets screwed over and over and over and finally gets over. He just got over at WM30, so my guess is Kane wins.
CycloneErik
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"If they have to re-invent you": like the Rock and Stone Cold?
Everyone gets repackaged one way or another.
Everyone gets repackaged one way or another.
I did say there were exceptions. Just seemed like they didn't give Antonio Cesaro long to stick around.
Wade Barret probably got an upgrade with BNB, I just still don't like him for whatever reason.
Speaking of inventions, what happened to Tensai. I liked him better as Lord Tensai.....and for that matter, where did Brodus Clay go?
Whatever the Wyatts are up to is basically the only thing I really watch for. Bray is incredible and has the potential to be unquestionably one of the top stars in the company. Eventually I see him "spreading his word" in the highest way possible: championship belt on his shoulder. BUT, that all depends if they handle him the right way. Another loss to Cena could really kill his momentum. He has the crowd in the palm of his hand every night (with the exception of a crowd here and there that may be dominated by Cenation's 10 year olds). The use of the children the other night was just brilliant.
Other than that I'm just looking forward to seeing a fun match between the Shield and Evolution, and hopefully some actual "extremeness" in the DB-Kane match.
Of the matches that somewhat matter to me, my predictions are:
Wyatt
DB
Evolution
Evolution winning will allow the Shield to either continue to seek revenge, or split up (Rollins and Ambrose turning on Reigns perhaps). Now, I absolutely don't see the Shield splitting up soon, especially since they just "turned" face, but Evolution winning just has more potential IMO.
Wyatt has to win to keep his momentum going. He escapes with his "message" and moves on from the Cena rivalry.
With Evolution and Wyatt both winning, they have to have the mega-face Daniel Bryan win. Plus, the dude just won the thing a pay-per-view ago. No way they'd take it away again for an older guy who should be putting guys over (and historically has very well).
Other than that I'm just looking forward to seeing a fun match between the Shield and Evolution, and hopefully some actual "extremeness" in the DB-Kane match.
Of the matches that somewhat matter to me, my predictions are:
Wyatt
DB
Evolution
Evolution winning will allow the Shield to either continue to seek revenge, or split up (Rollins and Ambrose turning on Reigns perhaps). Now, I absolutely don't see the Shield splitting up soon, especially since they just "turned" face, but Evolution winning just has more potential IMO.
Wyatt has to win to keep his momentum going. He escapes with his "message" and moves on from the Cena rivalry.
With Evolution and Wyatt both winning, they have to have the mega-face Daniel Bryan win. Plus, the dude just won the thing a pay-per-view ago. No way they'd take it away again for an older guy who should be putting guys over (and historically has very well).
CycloneErik
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Clay and Tensai ran into the problem that people just don't respond to them. Then they went the comedy route, and they weren't taken seriously at all.
CycloneErik
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I think that Evolution cheats out a win somehow.
In my dream scenario, that cheating and an extra-violent affair between Kane and Daniel Bryan lead to a huge revival of the old War Games match. Of course, Bryan and the Shield win that demolition derby.
In my dream scenario, that cheating and an extra-violent affair between Kane and Daniel Bryan lead to a huge revival of the old War Games match. Of course, Bryan and the Shield win that demolition derby.
Welcome to the past 3 years. That's what happens when the story is changing 5 minutes before a spot is supposed to go down and there seems to be a total absence of long term planning.
They are starting to get it back, Stables are a good way to slow down time in the entire universe and give some of the mid carders and wanna be main eventers some time to grow organically instead of on the fly.
Ideally they would just find a way to elevate the Intercontinental Belt back to its former glory. There are just too many tweeners that they let get in to the main event like Ziggler, Sheamus, etc. that should be focused in the upper mid-card. I think what will happen is once Daniel Bryan's run as World Champion comes to an end they put the Intercontinental belt on him and he does his thing with it all while remaining relevant in the main event picture.
Tensai now does color commentary on NXT with Alex Riley under the name Jason Alberts. Ironic considering Tensai squashed Riley in his debut match and both had failed pushes. Brodus Clay got sent to the performance center(lower than NXT) for a while, and now is a regular on NXT.
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