Hunters definitely do stop hunting. They stop when they have satisfied their hunger. Why wild animals will forget how to hunt if held captive for awhile. Throw your house cat outside and see what happens. It will probably die of fear.
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One successful hunt does not permanently make hunger go away. What hunger was satisfied last year? There was no conference championship. And the season has a big asterisk by it because of COVID. If last season took the "hunger" out of ISU, that's rather concerning.
No kidding, currently 24th ranked recruiting class and 4th in Big12. Never before has it been near that. We will actually out talent half our opponents in the future. Best coaching staff by a mile since Bruce and probably better than him.
You ask the players if last season had an asterisk. Don’t let me be behind you as you get launched backwards.
It’s a struggle to explain it if you haven’t experienced the change from Hunter to hunted. When you accomplish all but one or two of your goals. You may look at it and say, we did this and got that; well we just need to follow the same course and that same thing will happen, but it doesn’t. Teams change, coaches change, different stadiums, many different things, but in their head; we did this and got this so just so this. There is the difference, they aren’t really hunting, they are following the motions thinking they are hunting. What they don’t know, is that there are new hunters and they are being attacked while going through their steps.
Why I said in a different thread that we need to flip philosophies. We are using hunter philosophy whereas we need to use hunted
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This is true. Those are not good teams. We should have been able to put them away early, or at the least, have a lead we could build on in the 2nd half. Those were major preparation problem games.
This is the post of a horrible fan and bad judge of coaching. And in the Tech game he played to win and it bit ISU. Playing for the tie would have meant running the ball and kicking the tieing field goal with time expiring. Instead they passed and left a minute for Tech. Run and you kill the clock and might still score a TD. Like I said, it's what I would have done, but have been proven wrong in what I want in games many times.
i don’t think Campbell said all these things. It was everyone else and you bought it. We all wanted to.
They can launch me as far as they want. Doesn't change the fact.
Assuming you are right about the hunter/hunted thing, the coaching staff not changing to "hunted" mode by this point is a huge concern. The BU game, where a 2-win team the previous season had ISU down by 12 in the third quarter, should have immediately triggered that change.
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I mean, Baylor should give us an idea of how volatile this league can be due to the number of decent teams in it. They caught none of the breaks last year and go 2-8. They catch quite a few breaks this year and flip that. We catch a few good breaks last year and have a great year; we drop a few this year and are 6-4. A lot of decent teams and parity will make for a very volatile league year-to-year. The worst thing we can do is overreact and pull a Texas.
You don’t understand. The staff can change, the players mentally have to. I’m not saying the staff has (I don’t think they have by the looks of it) but it appears the players haven’t either way.
The same thing happened during Fred’s run. This is why we lost to UAB. We would fall behind but say ef it, we will overcome. But it doesn’t work when you have a very hungry opponent. The hunted approach is to come out and impose your will and beat down any other aggressor so they basically submit and leave you alone. You can’t just tell the players to do this.
The same can be said for business. I have stepped into a couple complete shiteshows and asked to clean them up. I clean them up and after that, the first stagnated and started to regress. Why? The big goals were accomplished and the mess wasn’t there. I needed to change mindset of not just putting out fires but I didn’t and left. The next job I realized when the mess was cleaned that I handed in my resignation when I felt I peaked. It’s not easy to fully change processes and mindsets from the inside when you have been battlingcertain problems for years.
Why I think all the seniors leaving will be good and allow that mindset to change. We will still be looked at as a better program in our conference and will be hunted some.
TT was as motivated as you can get. They just hired a big time chearleader and ALL those players were auditioning. That intensity is hard to meet instantly because we are human beings. They , TT, were relentless in the first half. With that being said, ISU fought back during the second half. ISU will be competitive under CMC, but until their roster is full of high 3 and 4 star recruits they will not be dominate. JIMMYS & JOES. Give me these guys all day long and I can win big. Unless, you are TEXAS!
I am sick of everyone downgrading our season last year because of COVID. Seriously we navigated better than most and that’s supposed to be a knock on us. The big ones last year were K State and WVU when it came to COVID and we were at home and totally destroyed them both. Had they been on the road maybe I would lend some credence, but we weren’t losing to either at home COVID or not.
Also we got hurt by COVID in game 1 against Louisiana, so perhaps we win that game without those issues. It came down to we won the one possession games last season and this year we aren’t.
Some of you are insane. Fact is we are not going to be head and shoulders better than most teams in our league barring Kansas currently. We are going to play close games just like almost every other team in this conference. There will be years we pull out the close wins and years we don’t.
Baylor is doing that this year and we aren’t. Kansas State has lives like this forever and there are years it doesn’t go their way and years it does and they win 9-10 games.
This year could have been a ten-win season had we just done a few things better. Tech, WVU and Baylor could easily have been one-possession wins and none of us are sitting here complaining. Just didn’t happen.
Baylor is doing that this year and we aren’t. Kansas State has lives like this forever and there are years it doesn’t go their way and years it does and they win 9-10 games.
This year could have been a ten-win season had we just done a few things better. Tech, WVU and Baylor could easily have been one-possession wins and none of us are sitting here complaining. Just didn’t happen.
It's disturbing that so many of our fans don't see what we are building as a program. You will have no room to complain if we ever really suck.
So, by being a Neanderthal and NOT keeping it in perspective, you just want to trash the whole thing and start over with a new coach? My guess is you don't want to actually do that. SO, keep some perspective on what we have been as a program before Campbell arrived and realize we've come pretty far that you are now actually mad we DIDN'T WIN THE BIG 12 TITLE...In the years you've been a Cyclone fan, had you EVER expected we would contend, let alone win, a big 12 title? Probably not. Be thankful Campbell has helped you raise your own bar on what you expect from the program...maybe...just maybe it doesn't stop here because they failed to win it. We may contend for some time as long as CMC is here.
Meanwhile, we are #22 in the latest 24/7 recruiting rankings. So the foundation has been set by this senior class, and the next step will be taken by the next group of young men who will take their place. I’m looking forward to seeing great victories in the future and I’m not going to waste a second worrying about what might have been this year. I hope Senior Day is packed, and I urge everyone to put down the beer and chips earlier than normal and get inside before the game starts to honor these kids.
Was out and about today and happened to run into a guy with a Texas Tech hat who was probably just a little younger than me (~50's). Congratulated him on their win and he said he was still stoked because it had been four(?) years since they had been to a bowl game. He was very complimentary of Campbell's ISU program and process and said it's a template for what they want their program to be. One random dude at the driving range, but it's interesting how the perception of ISU is no longer that of a pitiful football program. As Tolbfan said, we have to get used to being the hunted. Even Oklahoma now has to be concerned about ISU. Saturday's game is going to be fascinating.
Don’t ask the woman who was in front of a couple groups of us ISU fans at the Alamo bowl. Didn’t understand why a TT fan was there but she wanted to fight the guy Infront of me. Told the younger guy to be the better person and ignore her since she had kids along. Felt bad for the kids.
Such a good interview, we should be grateful to have this guy, he will do many good things if given the time.
Just my opinion ISU will never recruit at that level so that’s a bummer.
