On to 2021

Discussion in 'Wrestling' started by Htowncyfan, Mar 22, 2020.

  1. Htowncyfan

    Htowncyfan Active Member

    Mar 18, 2018
    94
    125
    33
    Male
    Ratings:
    +247 / 4 / -0
    Ok boys—it’s time to do this. Some of you know more about these issues than I do, but I’m assuming 1) everyone with eligibility is back; 2) everyone stays healthy; 3) the summer olympics gets kicked to 2021; and 4) we finish strong.

    Here goes:

    125– Mackall—AA/8th

    133–Gomez—AA/5th

    141–Parker—AA/4th

    149–Degen-National Champion

    157–Carr—AA/2d ( undefeated until final match).

    165– Who knows —Assume qualifier but no points.

    174–Colbray—AA/8th

    184–Broderson—Round of 12

    197–Coleman—Round of 16

    285–GG—AA/7th.

    Team finishes 5th.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 2
  2. dukeebear

    dukeebear Active Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    489
    27
    28
    Casket Sales
    Ames
    Ratings:
    +103 / 12 / -20
    Gomez will never make 133 again. Might as well try 65
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Land Shark

    Land Shark Active Member

    Apr 6, 2006
    435
    164
    43
    Ratings:
    +625 / 59 / -7
    Been wondering about Gomez, He is going to sit another year? Can't get to 133 and I cannot see him at any other weight being the guy. Any transfers at 165?
     
  4. NEICyFan

    NEICyFan Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    1,677
    93
    48
    Ratings:
    +416 / 46 / -0
    Yup. Hope they take a hard look at a transfer.

    Degen as NCAA champ is “bold” to put it nicely. Tough to win a title with no go-to offense. And even if next year is an Olympic year he still has Lewallen, Mauller, O’Connor, B. Lee and Sasso to deal with. That’s optimistic to put it nicely.
     
  5. Htowncyfan

    Htowncyfan Active Member

    Mar 18, 2018
    94
    125
    33
    Male
    Ratings:
    +247 / 4 / -0

    Well, every once in a while we need to aim high and expect greatness. I am predicting he gets healthy and brings the same unbelievable toughness he brought this year. I prefer this kind of thinking to chronic negativism....to put it nicely.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. Lyon309Cy

    Lyon309Cy Member

    Sep 5, 2010
    131
    20
    18
    Ratings:
    +54 / 4 / -0
    Degen is so much fun to watch, and he's so tough. But shoulders just never seem to get back to 100%. If he can get and stay healthy all year, who knows? He's certainly unorthodox and tough enough to make a run . He deserves a storybook ending, but even as optimistic as I usually am, I can't quite make that leap. I can't think of a single worse injury for the way he wrestles, I'd be stunned if he doesn't aggravate it again.

    If Colbray and Coleman can settle in to their weights and show up consistently, and Brodersen is the real deal we could have a real good duel team.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  7. isufan2

    isufan2 Active Member

    Nov 15, 2014
    113
    51
    28
    Ratings:
    +115 / 2 / -0
    Has Degen had his surgery or is it still scheduled? Any other members of the team need surgeries?
     
  8. cycloneman003

    cycloneman003 Well-Known Member

    Jan 14, 2008
    3,192
    134
    63
    Madison, WI
    Ratings:
    +318 / 3 / -0
    I would think Carr probably makes the bump to 165. Would it be insane to move Gomez all the way up to 157 if he was truly walking around at ~170 this past summer? He ceiling isn't as high there and it would only exacerbate his issues on bottom, but if you want to get a talented guy on the mat and not have to worry about Gomez weight cutting issues that's a solution.

    125: Mackall
    133: Small
    141: Parker
    149: Degen
    157: Gomez
    165: Carr
    174: Colbray
    184: Coleman/Broderson
    197: Shaprio/Broderson
    285: Gremmel

    I have a suspicion that Broderson will find his way into the lineup one way or another. He's a super talented kid.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  9. stuclone

    stuclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2013
    653
    362
    63
    Male
    Ames, IA
    Ratings:
    +1,321 / 25 / -0
    My best guess at a lineup:

    125- Mackall
    133- Small (if Gomez can make it back down, great. If not, Todd has another offseason to improve and has a chance to be a R12 caliber wrestler)
    141- Parker
    149- Degen
    157- Carr (also wouldn't surprise me if he goes up to 165)
    165- Schumacher, Mulder, or transfer
    174- Colbray
    184- Broderson
    197- Coleman
    Hwt- Gremmel

    Coleman has to really hit the weights hard this offseason to get up to 197, but he has the height/frame for it. I hope the Gomez can cut for one more season to 133 as that would make our team better overall, but Todd isn't a bad backup option by any means. I hope COVID doesn't affect any off season surgeries (Degen, Carr?) as we need to get healthy. Also hope it doesn't drag on long enough that it affects off season training. I would say best case scenario is a top 5 performance at NCAAs, but would be happy with top 10 as well.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  10. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

    Dec 15, 2010
    8,306
    2,665
    113
    Male
    Farmer
    Iowa
    Ratings:
    +4,988 / 60 / -2
    I 100% believe the plan is for Gomez at 133.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 2
  11. stuclone

    stuclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2013
    653
    362
    63
    Male
    Ames, IA
    Ratings:
    +1,321 / 25 / -0
    I have heard he has been doing much better with weight control and has a plan to get down for next season. My only concern is with COVID- how much will it affect off season training, will the time off hurt his descent plan (also will it hurt Coleman's ability to bulk up/Sammy's weight control, etc).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. brett108

    brett108 Well-Known Member

    May 1, 2010
    4,084
    224
    63
    Chemical Engineer
    Tulsa, OK
    Ratings:
    +873 / 88 / -5
    Ehh Gadson had chronic shoulder issues most of his career but was pretty healthy by his senior season and hasn't seemed to have issues since. It can happen. And better shoulders allowed him to get to the top of the podium. And by Schiller, that jerk!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. WhizzerClone

    WhizzerClone New Member

    Feb 20, 2020
    26
    10
    3
    Male
    Ratings:
    +55 / 1 / -0
    I agree and was hoping this was the case. Much better for the team. Not sure why everyone thinks it’s impossible for him to get to 33 like he’s never been there before. He will have had all of last season and the upcoming off season to slowly get down. Im sure coaches have already had him on a descent plan for some time. Based off his twitter i think his head is in the right place for him to get there, maintain and be a leader of this team with a few others.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  14. losinglion100

    losinglion100 Member

    Jan 11, 2018
    48
    23
    8
    Male
    Ratings:
    +54 / 6 / -0
    Zero chance he gets to 133... Kid is very talented but obviously didn't do what he needed to do to get to weight in 2019/2020 season. Why expect he would make it a year later? Twitter???.... Given the current situation of the world impacting mat workouts and training...pretty unlikely.

    Again, very talented and will do well at any weight he will go but it won't be 133.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 5
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  15. Land Shark

    Land Shark Active Member

    Apr 6, 2006
    435
    164
    43
    Ratings:
    +625 / 59 / -7
    If Colbray can get himself to 174 (which many doubted), I believe Gomez can get himself to 133 if he wants to do so. As is always the case, it's on him.
     
    • Agree Agree x 9
  16. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

    Dec 15, 2010
    8,306
    2,665
    113
    Male
    Farmer
    Iowa
    Ratings:
    +4,988 / 60 / -2
    Key word is the PLAN is for him to be at 133. I think he will get it done because he won’t want to compete against Parker at 141
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. WhizzerClone

    WhizzerClone New Member

    Feb 20, 2020
    26
    10
    3
    Male
    Ratings:
    +55 / 1 / -0
    Zero chance??? Extreme. There are a lot of unknowns as to why he didn't get down this past year. Coaches could have told him his season was over when he got hurt and no point to keep cutting. No one knows how close he was besides the team. My point with social media/twitter is that he was involved in all team travel still to play his role as a leader. He should know how important it is for the team he gets down to weight and do his part leading by example. I think it was a wake up call for him. Mat workouts aren't the only way to cut some pounds either, time will pass and everyone will be able to get back on the mat.
     
  18. JM4CY

    JM4CY Well-Known Member

    Aug 23, 2012
    5,484
    2,201
    113
    Working with people
    America
    Ratings:
    +10,896 / 178 / -2
    I thought it was already kind of decided David was going up to 65?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. crablegs

    crablegs Well-Known Member

    Mar 28, 2016
    816
    361
    63
    Ratings:
    +1,056 / 15 / -0
    This is an not a good take. Lots of young wrestlers make similar mistakes after their first year. Whether it is grades slipping or weight get out of control etc. Lots also learn a lesson about offseason discipline from that situation.

    I don’t know for sure whether Gomez will or won’t learn his lesson, but he seems like the kind of motivated, determined athlete that I’d put my money on.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Like Like x 2
  20. ca4cy

    ca4cy Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    5,071
    1,377
    113
    North Central IA
    Ratings:
    +5,672 / 44 / -0
    If I'm being honest, I'm more worried about reoccurring concussions for Gomez than I am his weight...and I'm kind of worried about his weight.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4

Share This Page