***Official portal tracker thread***

[joefrog]

I’m admittedly higher on Cooper than most. I thought he could be a late round pick as a safety.

Probably needs more tape as a corner to get picked at that position. But I think he could do that if he comes back ok from his ACL. He was balling those first three games.

Aren't 2 of them coming back from year-ending injuries?

Rashee Rice didn't look so great after only one year, did he?

 

[isufbcurt]

These same people have been doing it for decades. It's just out in the open now.

While technically true, it was on a smaller scale.

Remember the outrage at Cam Newton's dad getting $120K to $180K? That's nothing now. Yeah those donors would grease the palms of players for a few thousand. Now those donors are being asked to give millions.

Personally I'd rather be back to that.

 

[isufbcurt]

It’s the same amount annually whether the guy stays or they pay a different guy transferring in.

Disagree. Back then it was thousands, now it's millions.

 

[Cydewayz]

It’s because we are currently using our reserves to hit max rev share. If sukup gave $10M, it would go toward rev share and not nil.

But I think if Sukup wanted to feature mens bball and a couple football players in ads, could do that $10m outside of department if it passed clearing house. He could say "each year I want 10 fb players and the men's bball team to come to events, do a commercial, and xyz". I THINK that's how it works to go past the rev cap.

 

[Cydewayz]

While technically true, it was on a smaller scale.

Remember the outrage at Cam Newton's dad getting $120K to $180K? That's nothing now. Yeah those donors would grease the palms of players for a few thousand. Now those donors are being asked to give millions.

Personally I'd rather be back to that.

Exactly. Or a donor employed someone's mom locally when the kid was at the school for over market/no real hours. Etc.

I can't fathom shelling out $3mil to secure a QB for a team as a donor then watch them struggle or be injured or quit on the team...to be asked the next year to do it again as first guy hit the portal.

 

[isufbcurt]

Exactly. Or a donor employed someone's mom locally when the kid was at the school for over market/no real hours. Etc.

I can't fathom shelling out $3mil to secure a QB for a team as a donor then watch them struggle or be injured or quit on the team...to be asked the next year to do it again as first guy hit the portal.

Or gave them a new car.

All that is peanuts compared to what's going on now.

 

[GP4ISU]

"NIL Deals"

Man, Pedo State fans gonna get tired of seeing all those Rocco and Brahmer Fareway commercials….

 

[MountainManHawk]

Sorry I'm sure this has been covered before but I've never understood the 30m psu gets for their football roster? I thought the 20m Rev sharing was standard and has to be split in all sports?

Jamies interview made it sound like anything beyond Rev sharing is business dealings, and not like a sukup or similar could just add another 10m annually to football. This whole thing is just so confusing to me.

I read an article that said when schools promise to make a certain dollar amount available for NIL, it means they are taking advertising dollars that use to go to the school and allowing that to go to the players instead. Stuff like Learfield, HyVee, John Deere, or whatever the equivalent corporate sponsorships are that Penn State has.

Here is the link. There are several quotes from Pollard in it.

The college football spending cap is brand new, and here’s how schools already are ignoring it

The revenue-sharing salary cap is a boon to plenty of schools. For the richest ones, workarounds are already in play.

www.nytimes.com

The first hint that programs aren’t heeding the so-called “hard cap” of rev-share came during the recent coaching carousel. Most Power 4 schools are allocating $13-$15 million for football. For a program like Iowa State, that’s a welcome step up from what they were spending before.

And yet, when LSU hired Lane Kiffin, “The Advocate” reported the school is “prepared to commit $25-$30 million annually for Kiffin’s roster.”

“That’s very clearly an institution saying, we don’t give a f—,” said the head of a Power 4 collective with a smaller budget.

And it’s not just LSU. Auburn, which hired USF’s Alex Golesh, “is positioned to be closer to $30 million next year,” sources told 247Sports. And Penn State “is committing $30 million in NIL money” to Matt Campbell, according to reporter Matt Fortuna.

And those are just the ones we know about.

To get to $30 million, these schools would need to generate at least $15 million in “over-the-cap” third-party NIL deals despite, in theory, having to submit every deal of more than $600 to the CSC’s NIL Go clearinghouse for approval. So programs have already figured out a way around the restrictions, or they don’t believe the CSC is capable of enforcing them.

Before we get to some of the nefarious cap workarounds already circulating, know that most programs are first pursuing above-board methods to stretch their payrolls.

For starters, many athletic departments have beefed up their internal staffs and contracted with multimedia rights (MMR) firms like Learfield, Playfield and Opendorse to pursue legitimate brand deals for their most marketable athletes.

“You have had the rise of the MMR partner taking a huge role, taking the role of the booster,” said a person who leads a Power 4 collective for a top-20 program.

Early indications are that the CSC is clearing most deals with established national companies, as opposed to those from collectives or boosters affiliated with a specific school.

 

[Frak]

But I think if Sukup wanted to feature mens bball and a couple football players in ads, could do that $10m outside of department if it passed clearing house. He could say "each year I want 10 fb players and the men's bball team to come to events, do a commercial, and xyz". I THINK that's how it works to go past the rev cap.

Yes, they could. But Pollard would tell them to put it toward rev share. That was the whole issue. And I don’t think that he’s wrong. He’s draining the reserves to meet max rev share because if you don’t have the max you are screwed. It’s putting the entire department ahead of individual player salaries.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I think this is right. The kind of people who become billionaires are generally not the kind of people that put millions into things with guaranteed zero ROI. Sure, there are the crossover billionaires who are also rabid sports fans (like the TTU guy). But I suspect there aren't enough of them out there to keep doing this.

When the ASU coach says "there has to be someone in Phoenix who can stroke a $20M check today." That's only for one year! Next year the roster turns over and you have to find another $20M.

I don't think its sustainable.

I disagree.

I think folks underestimate just how much money is out there. And don't kid yourself - there will be ROI, in one way or another, regardless of W/L records.

 

[GP4ISU]

It’s because we are currently using our reserves to hit max rev share. If sukup gave $10M, it would go toward rev share and not nil.

So I can just dc my NIL contribution? I mean, if I’m just replenishing reserves and not adding new money…. /s

 

[clonedude]

Moore, Rutledge, Jensen, Stecker, too.

I would love it if we could keep Rutledge.

 

[DGC]

But I think if Sukup wanted to feature mens bball and a couple football players in ads, could do that $10m outside of department if it passed clearing house. He could say "each year I want 10 fb players and the men's bball team to come to events, do a commercial, and xyz". I THINK that's how it works to go past the rev cap.

Yes, but it has to be outside the athletic department control. Said players could do the commercial, but no reference to Iowa State, logos, ect. Notice Audi Crooks Fareway deals are all "Audi Crooks 55" and dont mention anything about Iowa State.

My personal observation is that some schools are tapping a guy like Sukup on the shoulder and saying "hey we appreciate your donation, but can you use the money to do a commercial (or whatever) with this player instead"

I don't think JP is necessarily against that, but he has athletic department bills that need to be paid and can't afford to "divert" that money.

 

[DGC]

So I can just dc my NIL contribution? I mean, if I’m just replenishing reserves and not adding new money…. /s

Its all a matter of putting the money in the right pocket or the left pocket. You can donate to the "We Will Fund" and it will go to rev share, with a salary cap. There will be less reserve money used to meet that cap. Eventually the reserves will run dry.
The days of the We Will Collective where the more money they took in the better players we had are over. I think the name of the game now is to get outside NIL deals. (Like Audi and Fareway)

 

[MountainManHawk]

Yes, but it has to be outside the athletic department control. Said players could do the commercial, but no reference to Iowa State, logos, ect. Notice Audi Crooks Fareway deals are all "Audi Crooks 55" and dont mention anything about Iowa State.

My personal observation is that some schools are tapping a guy like Sukup on the shoulder and saying "hey we appreciate your donation, but can you use the money to do a commercial (or whatever) with this player instead"

I don't think JP is necessarily against that, but he has athletic department bills that need to be paid and can't afford to "divert" that money.

This is my understanding as well. I’m sure there are exceptions, like Texas Tech seems to have gotten some wealthy alumni that want to make sure they keep up in the current environment.

But I think for a lot of the blue bloods they are just diverting money that previously would have went to the AD and giving it to the players now. But the less wealthy schools can’t do that as they still need those funds to keep the AD funded.

 

[inCyteful]

I’ve been hearing people say there will be donor fatigue at the big schools ever since NIL became a thing, yet it seems like these schools keep finding more and more money.

Egos of some rich people knows no bounds, You don't need a lot of multi-million $$ that want to buy a championship. Not all fan bases have them but some fan bases like the 'blue bloods' have been indoctrinated long enough that they are obsessed with it:

Michigan
tOSU
PSU
Bama
LSU
Georgia
ND
FSU
TAMU
OU
USC
Oregon
Miami
Tejas

I am probably missing some

There are curious ones that I think may have fatigue:

Florida
Nebby
Arkansas
Wiscy
Washington
Clemson (this is on coach, not fan base)

Then there are 'Hey, lets try this'
TTech
ASU
Indiana
BYU

And the rest of us along for the ride

 

[DGC]

This is my understanding as well. I’m sure there are exceptions, like Texas Tech seems to have gotten some wealthy alumni that want to make sure they keep up in the current environment.

But I think for a lot of the blue bloods they are just diverting money that previously would have went to the AD and giving it to the players now. But the less wealthy schools can’t do that as they still need those funds to keep the AD funded.

It will be interesting to see how TT gets around the salary cap. The cap went into effect July 1, so I believe many of these deals for the current football and basketball season were paid before that.

 

[clone52]

But I think if Sukup wanted to feature mens bball and a couple football players in ads, could do that $10m outside of department if it passed clearing house. He could say "each year I want 10 fb players and the men's bball team to come to events, do a commercial, and xyz". I THINK that's how it works to go past the rev cap.

That would probably work. That'd be about 5% of their yearly revenue so it would likely be approved.

 

[Stormin]

IMO Coach Rogers is going for the undervalued talent to bring in a large number of transfers and recruits. We are employing a defense and an offense that is capable of production and an attacking philosophy. Moberly is our future QB while Raynor will be a complete pain in the ass for opposing teams next year. New stars will replace the old stars. We will be fine.

 

[clone52]

Yes, but it has to be outside the athletic department control. Said players could do the commercial, but no reference to Iowa State, logos, ect. Notice Audi Crooks Fareway deals are all "Audi Crooks 55" and dont mention anything about Iowa State.

My personal observation is that some schools are tapping a guy like Sukup on the shoulder and saying "hey we appreciate your donation, but can you use the money to do a commercial (or whatever) with this player instead"

I don't think JP is necessarily against that, but he has athletic department bills that need to be paid and can't afford to "divert" that money.

It could help for the next couple years, but it would just cause Iowa State to run out of revenue sharing money sooner.
The state just needs to find the revenue share for all 3 schools.