***Official ISU-Pitt postgame thread***

[HFCS]

TCU had an alum in Jamie Dixon who was looking for a comfortable landing spot to get out of Pittsburgh. UCF isn’t going to have that kind of luck.

You would hope but who knows.

Baylor was historically bad and springboarded off of a murder coverup into an elite program. For whatever reason the conference just creates basketball success and depth (at least the remaining teams after Neb and CU left).

 

[cyclonehomer]

Lots of hate for Rob, but he shot 47% from the field over the season. As I recall it was similar for conference vs non-con games. It probably should be quite a bit higher given that most of his shots come close to the basket, but it's not like 0-5 is typical for him despite what this board thinks.

47% for a guy who only takes shots 5 feet and in is truly, remarkably, poor shooting. It's rare to see numbers that low for a guy that never takes even a 10 foot jumper. Ward, Conditt, and Osun have all three blown those numbers out of the water and none of them would be called studs offensively.

 

[cayin]

I don't think it was ever a top 15 team, they performed beyond their analytics for a few weeks and then moved back to their mean.

Offensively it certainly needs to get be better.

it all changed after Grill got hurt. After he hurt his back he was never the same, neither was our team.

 

[Goclones1727]

I think what makes me the most upset is that we played so damn timid and nervous.
Clearly pressing on offense.
Not catching the ball cleanly.
The release point on some of our jump shots were so off/disjointed.
Grazing the rim on post touches in the paint.
Not what you expect from a veteran team.
Just felt like we straight beat ourselves and IMO a good chunk of that was mental.
TJ has to find a way to get these guys more confident next year.

 

[fsanford]

it all changed after Grill got hurt. After he hurt his back he was never the same, neither was our team.

I think it is more about Gabe his shooting percentages early in the conference season which was way above his mean percentages for his career. He fell back into his normal shooting percentages during the 2nd half of the Big 12 season. And we saw the results.

Now maybe not having Grill impacted that, though lean more towards Gabe being Gabe

 

[HFCS]

Shows the limitations of analytics. Just another tool, not the bible.

When we were 1-19 from 3 that is some bad luck on to of being bad shooters. A lot of them were wide open and even a bad shooting team shoots better than 5% from 3.

Not sure we have to break out the computer models for that but the same bad shooters wouldn't shoot that bad every game.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I think it is more about Gabe his shooting percentages early in the conference season which was way above his mean percentages for his career. He fell back into his normal shooting percentages during the 2nd half of the Big 12 season. And we saw the results.

Now maybe not having Grill impacted that, though lean more towards Gabe being Gabe

God damn pathetic take. You and so many fans have some weird notion that Grill was the oil for the engine this year.

The correct answer is it was Gabe. This team is nowhere close to what it was without Gabe. This year or last. We were still beating 3 seeds in the ncaa tournament without Grill. Gabe deserves a lot more credit than this fan base granted him the last 2 years.

 

[AuH2O]

God damn pathetic take. You and so many fans have some weird notion that Grill was the oil for the engine this year.

The correct answer is it was Gabe. This team is nowhere close to what it was without Gabe. This year or last. We were still beating 3 seeds in the ncaa tournament without Grill. Gabe deserves a lot more credit than this fan base granted him the last 2 years.

Also weird that fans and CW kept throwing out that Gabe was ISUs best perimeter defender. No way. Gabe and it wasn’t close. Grill was super active, but he got toasted a lot too. There was a reason Gabe ALWAYS drew the best wing. It was always Gabe, never Grill.

Having healthy Grill clearly helped. At worst you’ve got another streaky shooter that gives you a shot if Holmes and Gabe were cold.

But in general I agree. The idea that Grill was a better or more important player than Gabe was pretty crazy.

GK is probably the most under appreciated Cyclone in a long time.

 

[fsanford]

God damn pathetic take. You and so many fans have some weird notion that Grill was the oil for the engine this year.

The correct answer is it was Gabe. This team is nowhere close to what it was without Gabe. This year or last. We were still beating 3 seeds in the ncaa tournament without Grill. Gabe deserves a lot more credit than this fan base granted him the last 2 years.

Wtf I pretty much said they won when Gabe was hot and said they started to lose when he started to cool off. Learn to comprehend what you read. I mentioned to the guy i reponded to that perhaps his opinion is possible, but my belief was it was more Gabe.