*** Official Grambling State vs #16 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[bawbie]

I'll add my thoughts to Peter's, since I agree with many of them

A couple of thoughts on last night. Grambling was obviously a much better team than FDU and found some ways to beat our D. The Munoz kid is good. 6-6 Freshman from Chicago. Good playmaker. Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing at a bigger school next year.

Absolutely - I thought the same thing the whole second half. Hopefully for Grambling's season they can figure out how to make the game run through him - it seemed like they forgot about him for long stretches.

Buchanan: hasn't looked good in the first few games, but seemed to be much more in the flow last night. Did exactly what he was brought in to do. Obviously, it was against an overmatched frontcourt, but good to see at least a flash of what he might be capable of.

I agree - but I think post play is going to be a struggle all season. It's just the way the roster shook out - if we had landed Oscar Cluff it would be better - but the options were limited. I do think the rotations will get better - I'm not sure missing bunnies will.

Bateman: Good to see the ball go through the hoop. If he can three and D like that for us this season, he'll cement a place in the rotation

He looked really good, on both ends. His rip and run steal 1:1 near half court was Lipsey-esque. He looks to be really invested (and talented) on the defensive end. I thought he was going to end up as the 9th guy, playing inconsistent minutes, but he's clearly going to be a heavy rotation player. Toure-Lipsey-Batemon is a killer defensive backcourt.

Toure: Just reminds me a lot of Curtis Stinson from back in the day. It doesn't look pretty but its very effective. Plays bigger than he is and is just very physical for a freshman. Our defensive speed and pressure with him and Tamin are going to be a nightmare for other teams.

I just love the kid. The last freshman that I remember being wowed by their poise and maturity the first time they stepped on the floor was Monte Morris - not that their games are similar. And Monte didn't start until halfway through his freshman year. He just plays so hard every second he's on the court - it's something I'm not sure you can teach. He's a LOT like Lipsey, but bigger, stronger and faster. And with a better shot as a freshman. He's going to be an all-timer.

Mitchell: I've been curious about his progress, and it was good at least to see him on the floor. Very highly regarded recruit who is buried on the depth chart. Hope we can keep him around the program for development.

He was a highly decorated HS player - winning WI Gatorade Player of the year over Batemon - but he wasn't nearly as highly regarded of a recruit, if I remember correctly. He's got all kinds of offensive skills and good size - but he's not a physically or defensively ready as Batemon or Toure. Hopefully he sticks around and picks up a bigger role next year.

Mulder/Pleta: Warm bodies at this point. Still trying to learn how they can impact the game for this team.

Mulder is what he is. Dunks on drop offs, put-backs, hustle and 5 fouls. Pleta is more interesting - he looks so much bigger than Mulder or even Buchanon. He's pretty raw, but he has potential both offensively and as a rim protector. In both games he's been in when we've gone small with Toure-Lipsey-Nelson-Heise. It's a very interesting lineup.

 

[nfrine]

Munoz would look good in a Iowa State uniform

NIL has sure changed how I watch games too. I had the same thought. Gave me Curtis Jones vibes...

 

[NWICY]

needs one or we pick one?

Well I believe some fans just need one so they can consistently complain. But I'd be hard pressed to name a yr when one hasn't been selected

 

[enisthemenace]

NIL has sure changed how I watch games too. I had the same thought. Gave me Curtis Jones vibes...

I’d wager TJ and staff keep tabs on Munoz all season.

 

[Cloned4Life]

So we cant believe that this is a good 3 pt shooting team because of 2 bye games, but we can deduce that they will be a bad 3 pt shooting team and lose some games, because of 2 bye games?

Just wanting to make sure I understand this correctly

I duno man. I just don't think we're a very good shooting team. I don't think we will become one. I think it will be pretty obvious by mid season.

But I'm a random fan with a random opinion.

 

[Clone95]

Some people are way too obsessed with 3 pt shooting as the only measure of good or bad offense. It’s why Jefferson can score 20 on 8/10 shooting and it gets totally ignored in the game thread.

 

[Malone]

Some people are way too obsessed with 3 pt shooting as the only measure of good or bad offense. It’s why Jefferson can score 20 on 8/10 shooting and it gets totally ignored in the game thread.

It’s a fair concern in the modern era.

 

[enisthemenace]

Some people are way too obsessed with 3 pt shooting as the only measure of good or bad offense. It’s why Jefferson can score 20 on 8/10 shooting and it gets totally ignored in the game thread.

What do you want more for this team? 35-40% 3 point shooter, or 50-60% from the FT line?

Those are the only two options. Take all 2 point shots out of the equation.

 

[NENick]

What do you want more for this team? 35-40% 3 point shooter, or 50-60% from the FT line?

Those are the only two options. Take all 2 point shots out of the equation.

Those options aren't equivalent. I'd say 35-40% from 3 or 75-80% FT.
But yes, yearlong good 3 pt shooters are good to have.

 

[madguy30]

Those options aren't equivalent. I'd say 35-40% from 3 or 75-80% FT.
But yes, yearlong good 3 pt shooters are good to have.

Between Heise, Lipsey, Milan, occasional Jefferson I think they'll have just that overall.
There will be ups and downs but hopefully they're at least reliable.

People on here couldn't hate Heise playing enough last year despite all the things he was doing until shots started to fall and he was a bit of a de facto MVP toward the end of the season.

 

[qwerty]

Bit of trivia I stumbled upon last night.
Several musical groups and individual performers have performed during halftime of the Super Bowl.

Which musical group has played during halftime of the Super Bowl the most times?




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Answer: Grambling State University Marching Band (4) Super Bowls 1 ('67), 2 ('68), 9 ('75), 21 ('87)

Complete List Of All Super Bowl Halftime Performers Since 1967

The Super Bowl halftime show has undergone a dramatic evolution since its inception, growing from a modest showcase of college marching bands into one of

www.classicrockhistory.com

p.s. I didn't count "Up With People" as that is just the sponsoring organization, with different sets/types of performers each time.

 

[enisthemenace]

Those options aren't equivalent. I'd say 35-40% from 3 or 75-80% FT.
But yes, yearlong good 3 pt shooters are good to have.

Yeah…I know they aren’t. They weren’t meant to be. I was responding to a poster who was suprised how “obsessed” the board was to 3 pt shooting being the “only” measure of good or bad offense.

It’s not the only measure, but it’s pretty damn important.

 

[StLouisClone]

Heise was great the last half of the season, but it still wasn't enough to win many games. Our defense just wasn't the same without a healthy Gilbert and Lipsey. Feeling really good that Toure and Batemon will be able to help ISU create that same defensive intensity that we had during the first half of last season.

 

[madguy30]

Heise was great the last half of the season, but it still wasn't enough to win many games. Our defense just wasn't the same without a healthy Gilbert and Lipsey. Feeling really good that Toure and Batemon will be able to help ISU create that same defensive intensity that we had during the first half of last season.

Nothing is going to be the same with two of the best players limping around along with whatever else was going on with Gilbert.

Athletically the team was also more limited than what was imagined because they did well in a Feast Week tourney and people believed the 'looked like a FF team in January' garbage.

 

[madguy30]

Yeah…I know they aren’t. They weren’t meant to be. I was responding to a poster who was suprised how “obsessed” the board was to 3 pt shooting being the “only” measure of good or bad offense.

It’s not the only measure, but it’s pretty damn important.

And 'obsessing' over how bad they are in a game where ISU hits 12 at nearly 40% clip, and having at least 4 regular veteran players capable of knocking a couple down at any time is pretty weird.

 

[NoCreativity]

Nothing is going to be the same with two of the best players limping around along with whatever else was going on with Gilbert.

Athletically the team was also more limited than what was imagined because they did well in a Feast Week tourney and people believed the 'looked like a FF team in January' garbage.

Respectfully disagree. We were every bit as good as Auburn early last year. Then we won at Texas Tech and smoked Kansas. Had Arizona beat on the road too if not for a once in a million bad break.

Wheels started to fall off a little after that, but with health Gilbert and Lipsey last year they could have been a Final 4 team. They had the metrics to prove it also.