Why?
Because they won a BCS bowl?
Because they won a National Championship?
Because they made the CWS?
Why do they regret that decision?
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Why?
Because they won a BCS bowl?
Because they won a National Championship?
Because they made the CWS?
Why do they regret that decision?
Because they won't generate as much revenue or interest as they need to going forward in "tougher" competition. It was a desperation move by the ACC to buffer against additional raiding.
Had a sister who graduated from Tulane. Excellent academics but I attended a football game and there were maybe 10,000 fans there and I saw them get annihilated by Army. They play in the Superdome which would be cool if they filled it, but their fans aren't very passionate and don't care much about their athletics. Everyone down there is all LSU. Not sure they bring much to the table in expansion
Northwestern probably has about 10k fans at a game even when they're ranked, but they would still sell out a 50-60k stadium regularly if they had one. I'm guessing Tulane would be similar, its not that far from the Texas schools. Vandy is similar in the SEC, they're doing fine. These teams don't even add a new market at all to those conferences like Tulane would to the Big 12.
Not saying I'm a huge fan of adding Tulane, but I think they have more upside than Northwestern which still provides a great day in a fun city for football programs around their conference despite a small alumni base, small stadium and small fan base. Tulane's ticket sales would at least double the minute they join the Big 12, it just wouldn't be Tulane fans. Most other rumored expansion teams wouldn't get a drastic attendance boost from Big 12 teams making the road trip, maybe some WVU fans would drive to Cinci.
Deep Southern states BCS teams:
Florida: Florida, FSU, Miami (not count aac)
So Carolina: clemson, SC
Georgia: gtech, gu
Alabama:auburn, alabama
Miss: Ol miss, msu
Tennessee: UT, vandy
KENTUCKY: UK, Louisville
Louisiana:LSU
Deep South has highest per capita (by far) d-1 talent. I would say Louisiana is best poised to support a second bcs school. Ohio same thing. I think Tulane and Cincinnati make a lot of sense.
Uh...why? They would certainly add more to the Big 12's sports rep than ISU has.
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Uh...because the football numbers don't add up, and probably won't in the long run, especially in the company they are now competing with, and in a league that has a lower football payout per team than the other 4. They were nothing more than a desperation add by the ACC to stay at 14 because the BI6 only took one.
Comparing them to ISU is irrelevant.
Did you even read Frank the Tank's blog, and how his rating system works? As I said, BYU brings too much baggage despite Frank's analysis of the program. Of the second grouping, Tulane is a team, not located in Texas or Florida, in a very fertile recruiting state, and in a large TV market. Along with that, they're building new facilities to help the football program. As an expansion candidate, they're worth a very long look.
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We already have 2 teams like that, Baylor and especially TCU. We dont need another team that only can fill its stadium because its opponents bring fans.
I agree with your point mostly, but Waco is Waco and on my last trip to Dallas I thought it was about as lively as Omaha or DesMoines, was really shocked how dead the city is. Chicago (NW), Nashville (Vandy) and New Orleans are all a way better destination to go have a party football weekend. I'm never going to watch ISU play @Baylor or @TCU, watching them in New Orleans in any sort of game (but preferably Sugar/playoff) would be on my list.
Tulane (with a new stadium) = TCU. Both are small private schools in NFL markets. Tulane does have a favorable academic profile compared to commuter schools like USF, UCF and Cincy. I agree the B12 doesn't need another TCU.
Two new schools to the B12 have to bring in at least $50M of combined annual value to make it worthwhile for expansion. There are not "available" schools that can provide that kind of value unless a network is willing to pay $50M annually for a conference championship game and the only conference that has a track of consistent success with conference championship games is the SEC. The championship games last season in the P12, B10 and ACC all were far from sellouts and basically dud games. The B12 championship games also were not consistent sellouts and several of those were also duds.
There are escalators in the contract so that all teams are still paid the same if 2 more teams are added. (assuming they are worthy not something like UNI or Drake or something) A championship game would then come back and based on what MhVer has said the market value of that game would be $30 - $40 million for the conference to split up.
Prior to Big 12 going east to take West Virginia, New Mexico was near the top of my "give it legitimate consideration" list. That was due to geography that fit the Big 12, a seemingly untapped local TV market potential between Pac-12 and Big 12 regions. Viable basketball addition.
Sure, the football program is nothing to write home about, but ... OK, forget I mentioned that.
Sure, the football program is nothing to write home about, but ... OK, forget I mentioned that.
30k seats. yikes.
How's TCU's attendance been this year? I've seen a few pictures where the stadium was like 60%+ empty.
Tulane is a reach, but they do have a very interesting football history. former member of the SEC and used to play in and fill a 80,000 seat stadium of their own.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave_football
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave_football
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Agreed they are a reach in their current form. But it's not that hard to argue that they have a better history than a lot of Big 12 schools.
I cant look it up now but didn't ISU play Tulane quite a few times through the 80s and 90s.
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