Jesus ******* ******, sorry for thinking Iowa State is more than the turd several of you seem to think it is.
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Nobody said that ISU is a turd. Thinking that ISU might not be the defacto choice for a merger/expansion candidate from the Big 12 after OU/UT/KU != thinking ISU is a turd.
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If any merger happens with PAC no teams would be left out. The school left out could sue for lost income and who knows what. You can't just kick a school out of a conference to kick them out. If anything I can't imagine WV wanting any part of that. I could see then leaving and adding BYU
you also have to take in context what happened when the Big 12 SWC merger and how politics can play a big role on teams getting in or left out.
and they are religous...a pac no no, not that this scenario is eve a remote posibility.
Iowa State is a wonderful university that has a lot to offer students, alumni, and fans. It has a great academic reputation and is a place where tens of thousands of people, including myself, have spent the best years of their lives.
That doesn't matter one bit in conference realignment. Take our exact characteristics and plop us in the middle of Texas, California, or Florida and we'd be the hottest girl in the bar. But we aren't in those states. So if the Big XII falls apart we just have to hope somebody will take us home at 2 AM.
Luckily for us the Big XII looks like it has firmed up and we should have a decade to improve how TV execs view us.
Wrong.... have you not noticed which schools not going to the big 12 have gotten recent upgrades to PAC, SEC and B1G...all aau. Its a major consideration they have a network and want households, baylor and tcu deliver nothing for that, are religious, and sub pac academically a smaller budget, only offer recent football success compared to ISU... no way they would EVER get picked before ISU. But why would the pac be picking...and why am i even commenting on this dumb hypothetical
Wrong. ISU would need to ***** itself out to get into a good conference if **** hit the fan. TCU and Baylor are in Texas. Far more attractive than coming to Ames Iowa.
What other hypothetical can we sidetrack off to for the next 5 pages....hmmmm hopefully something as "intriguing" as this was. Please for the love of beer can we move on...
Man oh man, they are selling a cable network. Texas already would deliver texas, which is why the sec is happy with just a&M likely the only way baylor tech or tcu would go if politics forced them to bring a dancing partner. The pac model is different. Like people want to go to utah? Smaller than Iowa. OSU would get in as a package deal but not because they deliver oklahoma, they already would have that. From business/money and academic perspective ISU is more attractive...from a football strength perspective we are not. But yeah colorado, utah, maryland, rutgers, missouri, are powers right.... just ask wvu if academics matter. Sec and acc didnt want them for this reason alone, money and football they were the easy choice.
First, TCU and Baylor wouldn't get into the Pac X for the very same reason why BYU will never get there - they, particularly Cal and Stanford, don't want religious universities in their conference.
Second, if the two conferences were to merge, the state is covered by U of Texas alone, with TT thrown in for good measure. What need does the Pac 12 have for 4 Texas schools?
Third, why is it automatically assumed that it's ISU that would get left out in a merger? Why is Oregon St or Washington St never discussed?
exactly....isu would be easily among the top 20 of 22 schools from a money perspective, academic or even football strength, they would be an easy choice in this unlikely scenario.
Im still kinda interested to see who the Catholic 7 get to fill out their conference. i wonder if they will stay in the Notheast or if Creighton has a legit shot. I also expect that once the Maryland lawsuit is decided then I think it opens up the whole realingment thing again especially if they don't have to pay the whole 52 milion.
Who cares what the other conferences do? We are set for years. No reason to dilute our conference and make less money just because other conferences are going to be bigger. They aren't making a rule saying we can't be a conference with ten teams, no teams are leaving for at least a decade.
I wonder if they don't allow a title game with 10 and the B1G and SEC go to 16 atleast and the buyout for ACC schools doesn't stay at 50+ million if the Big 12 would expand to 12
If the 5 "BCS conferences" were smart (and have some lawyers who are knowledgeable of collusion) they would sit down together and decide that the current 64 teams signed up to play in those 5 leagues within the next 2 years (66 if you count Notre Dame - who may get scared and join a conference - and UConn to make an even number) could just as easily play in 3 conferences of 22. I guess conferences would become more like regionals and divisions would be the new conferences.
The key would be finding a home for all the current BCS teams so that there isn't lawsuits or involvement from congressmen. It may seem like a lot financially to hypothetically ask the Big 10 to absorb the Boston Colleges of the world, the SEC to take on the Wake Forests of the world, etc., but keep in mind the massive drop in TV money that the universities experienced in 1982 after NCAA v. Board of Regents of Oklahoma when the NCAA was found to violate the Sherman Ant-Trust when the NCAA controlled 100% of college athletics TV rights (essentially operating as 1 conference) and then it was turned over to the conferences to individually negotiate their own deals. I.E. lower supply of conferences = lots more $$$ for everyone. And small conferences would stand to benefit too...so that may keep their mouths shut.
40% fewer major conferences could lead to a big time loot for the NCAA while still not being a monopoly (if the Supreme Court says 3 "brands" controlling 95% of the market is a anti-competitive then they could opening a large can of worms). Of course this would mean the Big 12 would have to agree to forgo the GOR, Texas would have to likely give up the LHN, the Pac 12 would have to accept Christian schools, Penn St would have to allow Pitt, Iowa may have to allow ISU, the supposed gentleman's agreement between Kentucky/SC/Florida/Georgia would have to be given up to allow FSU/Clemson/Louisville/Miami/GT, etc., etc.
At the end of the day there's no chance of this since too many schools would have to swallow their pride in order to see the big picture.
The key would be finding a home for all the current BCS teams so that there isn't lawsuits or involvement from congressmen. It may seem like a lot financially to hypothetically ask the Big 10 to absorb the Boston Colleges of the world, the SEC to take on the Wake Forests of the world, etc., but keep in mind the massive drop in TV money that the universities experienced in 1982 after NCAA v. Board of Regents of Oklahoma when the NCAA was found to violate the Sherman Ant-Trust when the NCAA controlled 100% of college athletics TV rights (essentially operating as 1 conference) and then it was turned over to the conferences to individually negotiate their own deals. I.E. lower supply of conferences = lots more $$$ for everyone. And small conferences would stand to benefit too...so that may keep their mouths shut.
40% fewer major conferences could lead to a big time loot for the NCAA while still not being a monopoly (if the Supreme Court says 3 "brands" controlling 95% of the market is a anti-competitive then they could opening a large can of worms). Of course this would mean the Big 12 would have to agree to forgo the GOR, Texas would have to likely give up the LHN, the Pac 12 would have to accept Christian schools, Penn St would have to allow Pitt, Iowa may have to allow ISU, the supposed gentleman's agreement between Kentucky/SC/Florida/Georgia would have to be given up to allow FSU/Clemson/Louisville/Miami/GT, etc., etc.
At the end of the day there's no chance of this since too many schools would have to swallow their pride in order to see the big picture.
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