***Official 2020-2021 Transfer Thread***

[cyfan92]

We could also compare the schools offering Nunn since he decommitted to the ones offering Grill since entering the portal. There are lots of ways to look at it.

I see your point. But he played for one the top prep programs in the nation. Every program with a pulse saw him play and hardly anyone offered until the now when teams are scrambling to fill their roster.

 

[cyfan92]

This board has a weird boner for Caleb Grill. He was an abysmal producer for arguably the worst or second-worst team in program history. He improved from below average to average at UNLV with much higher usage in a lesser conference. Just because “durrrrrrrrrr muh brain ruhmumbers that name so let’s get him I remember him so he is good at the sportsball durrrrrrrrr” we want him back?

Is there such dissonance caused by one’s history with- /passion for Iowa State that our fan base tards out to the fact that there will be much better options in this ridiculous transfer market? He’s a player that contributed to Prohm losing his job. You don’t bring that back, though I have no doubt Otz will. But you shouldn’t settle for average players. He’s no Scott Christopherson shooting the ball and there are a lot of “gym rats” on the market.

Matt Thomas was a pretty big disappoinment his first two years. Thank God Fred got rid of him...

 

[LLCoolCY]

This board has a weird boner for Caleb Grill. He was an abysmal producer for arguably the worst or second-worst team in program history. He improved from below average to average at UNLV with much higher usage in a lesser conference. Just because “durrrrrrrrrr muh brain ruhmumbers that name so let’s get him I remember him so he is good at the sportsball durrrrrrrrr” we want him back?

Is there such dissonance caused by one’s history with- /passion for Iowa State that our fan base tards out to the fact that there will be much better options in this ridiculous transfer market? He’s a player that contributed to Prohm losing his job. You don’t bring that back, though I have no doubt Otz will. But you shouldn’t settle for average players. He’s no Scott Christopherson shooting the ball and there are a lot of “gym rats” on the market.

I respect that opinion but I have the counter argument.
Grill was forced to play early as a freshman on a poor ISU team. He was late to focusing on basketball and could have used a RS to refine his skills. Even then late in the year started to show flashes of being a contributor. He was a top 150 recruit out of HS with multiple P6 offers based on potential of how he’d develop as 4 year player. I am confident that if TJ offers him he believes he’s can reach that potential as a junior. Adding Grill is also adding a player who knows TJs system and can help the other players get onboard with expectations. There are a number open roster spots, not everyone needs to be filled with an all big 12 player to be useful to the team. You can also look Junior Caleb as the soph Dunbar replacement which is an upgrade in my opinion.

 

[Statefan10]

I respect that opinion but I have the counter argument.
Grill was forced to play early as a freshman on a poor ISU team. He was late to focusing on basketball and could have used a RS to refine his skills. Even then late in the year started to show flashes of being a contributor. He was a top 150 recruit out of HS with multiple P6 offers based on potential of how he’d develop as 4 year player. I am confident that if TJ offers him he believes he’s can reach that potential as a junior. Adding Grill is also adding a player who knows TJs system and can help the other players get onboard with expectations. There are a number open roster spots, not everyone needs to be filled with an all big 12 player to be useful to the team. You can also look Junior Caleb as the soph Dunbar replacement which is an upgrade in my opinion.

Not to mention this past year doesn’t count so Grill is a sophomore again.

 

[bozclone]

I would be thrilled if Grill came back. After watching the women play this year, we need guys that play harder. Grill plays hard and he will work his butt off to keep getting better. He won’t be a star, but I think he will be a solid addition.

 

[Tlyon]

I still think Tre is better than Grill, but I’ll take Caleb back as I love his potential. Both struggled as a result of lack of pg during their freshman and sophomore years (after Halliburton went out obviously). Both had injuries that really affected them, granted Caleb’s was freshman year and Tre had one both years (broken nose then sprained knee). Main reason I like Tre more is his defensive skills. They aren’t too different of players. Caleb has the height advantage so I’d say his potential is probably higher. Love the energy both play with though

 

[Neptune78]

Matt Thomas was a pretty big disappoinment his first two years. Thank God Fred got rid of him...

Same with Naz.
Not saying Grill will improve to their level, but I trust TJ's evaluation of his potential.

 

[Cyched]

I was always impressed with how tough Grill played, even raw at times. Agree that a RS year would have benefited him. I would be curious to see how he fares a second time with more experience and a new staff.

I feel like Grills ceiling as an upperclassman is similar to Matt Mooney at Tech. Not the star, or as flashy as guys like Culver, Odiase or Moretti, but still an important role player and served as the grown man on the court.

If he is coming back, will be paying attention to see how well he develops next year.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I disagree. The board likes him because he was a raw athlete that looked uncomfortable his freshman season and now has a year of actual playing under his belt where he performed pretty good. He will come with three years still left to play and could get better and better every year. His upside is what we see. We don’t see a lost kid like you remember as a freshman

Play, and was forced into a role that most freshman would struggle in.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Matt Thomas was a pretty big disappoinment his first two years. Thank God Fred got rid of him...

Melvin had a whole bunch of doubters for the first two years. Some geniuses didn't think he was Big 12 caliber.

 

[Rabbuk]

Play, and was forced into a role that most freshman would struggle in.

He was asked to be a bench guard, what is tough about that?

 

[CycloneErik]

I disagree. The board likes him because he was a raw athlete that looked uncomfortable his freshman season and now has a year of actual playing under his belt where he performed pretty good. He will come with three years still left to play and could get better and better every year. His upside is what we see. We don’t see a lost kid like you remember as a freshman

Yeah, there are a lot of possible angles to it. Overall, he seemed like a guy who can shoot and contribute. We need those things right now.
And really, anyone who doesn't think there's a 1000% chance that he comes here again is fooling themselves.

 

[CycloneErik]

He was asked to be a bench guard, what is tough about that?

A guard for the worst coach we've ever had. That makes anyone look bad.

 

[mplueg]

He was also hurt his freshman year!

 

[IAStubborn]

Not to mention this past year doesn’t count so Grill is a sophomore again.

So really....he never left.

 

[Cyclonepride]

He was asked to be a bench guard, what is tough about that?

He was asked to play a lot more late in the season after Haliburton went out (last two games were 38 and 39 minutes)

 

[Cyclonepride]

TJ, I praised you for your ability to recruit and bring in talent. So far I’m not loving it lol

Based on what?

 

[Rabbuk]

A guard for the worst coach we've ever had. That makes anyone look bad.

He played on a team that let nixon shoot 10+ times a game, i feel like if grill could hit the water from a boat he would have looked pretty competent.

 

[CycloneErik]

He played on a team that let nixon shoot 10+ times a game, i feel like if grill could hit the water from a boat he would have looked pretty competent.

Totally possible. I'm not sure if I'm in acceptance or resignation on this one. I think he might be able to contribute, not like a star or anything, but a contributor for a few well-placed minutes per game, maybe.

 

[DhaCheann]

Matt Thomas was a pretty big disappoinment his first two years. Thank God Fred got rid of him...

Please don’t disrespect the Iceman like that by comparing Caleb friggin Grill to him