***Official 2017 Transfer Thread***

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Ah, pessimism by default. Makes sense.

It's not default pessimism. It's looking at Kasongo's history (1.4 ppg), reading between the lines (no positive reviews), and then making a judgement about the future.

My point is that we probably could have found a better player as a mid-year than Kasongo will give us.
 

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It's not default pessimism. It's looking at Kasongo's history (1.4 ppg), reading between the lines (no positive reviews), and then making a judgement about the future.

My point is that we probably could have found a better player as a mid-year than Kasongo will give us.

Agree 100%. We don't know what kind of player Kasongo will end up being for isu but there are undoubtedly better players available right now at the mid year break that we could be pursuing if we had an open scholarship.
 

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Not super happy we took Kasongo right now.

Why is Kosongo getting shade thrown his way?
He's been on the team less than 5 months and I doubt the media is asking many questions about him. A lot of posters have been looking for post bodies to add as a need for ISU and Ray is 6'9" 245. Kasongo had offers out of HS from USC, LSU and committed to Oregon, then Tennessee. He was being recruited by San Diego State, ASU, Washington State, Seton Hall, TCU, and UNLV once he announced his transfer. He may pan out or not but it isn't like the RK doesn't have some talent a lot of Coaches/Programs were interested in add him to the roster.

Let give Ray a chance to play in Hilton to before we bail on his career.
 

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It's not default pessimism. It's looking at Kasongo's history (1.4 ppg), reading between the lines (no positive reviews), and then making a judgement about the future.

My point is that we probably could have found a better player as a mid-year than Kasongo will give us.

Or we could have struck out on all the mid year options, leaving us with nothing. I'm not crazy high on Kasonga either at this point, but not because "we haven't heard anything positive."

I would argue that expecting a high quality mid year transfer is fool's gold. We just haven't been able to get the better transfers with this staff, and another Kasonga might be as good as we were gunna do anyway. Besides, it's not like we absolutely can not try to get a mid year transfer. We've gotten players without scholarships before, although with a different coaching staff, and different situation.

I wish someone would ask Prohm if they are going to actively recruit mid year transfers this season.
 

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IMG_3919.jpg I've attached my reason for pessimism. Screenshot of a post from a pay site admin posted after the Kasongo to ISU announcement was made offical.
 

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Or we could have struck out on all the mid year options, leaving us with nothing. I'm not crazy high on Kasonga either at this point, but not because "we haven't heard anything positive."

I would argue that expecting a high quality mid year transfer is fool's gold. We just haven't been able to get the better transfers with this staff, and another Kasonga might be as good as we were gunna do anyway. Besides, it's not like we absolutely can not try to get a mid year transfer. We've gotten players without scholarships before, although with a different coaching staff, and different situation.

I wish someone would ask Prohm if they are going to actively recruit mid year transfers this season.

Right. A lot of Mid-Season Transfers go to a school that previously recruited them out of HS due to mutual internest and familiarity to the program (not to mention a short period to decide in mid January). That was the case with McKay and Burton. I'm not sure there are realistic targets for Prohm and Staff to actually get mid season with the current names announce this year in any case.
 

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Why is Kosongo getting shade thrown his way?
He's been on the team less than 5 months and I doubt the media is asking many questions about him. A lot of posters have been looking for post bodies to add as a need for ISU and Ray is 6'9" 245. Kasongo had offers out of HS from USC, LSU and committed to Oregon, then Tennessee. He was being recruited by San Diego State, ASU, Washington State, Seton Hall, TCU, and UNLV once he announced his transfer. He may pan out or not but it isn't like the RK doesn't have some talent a lot of Coaches/Programs were interested in add him to the roster.

Let give Ray a chance to play in Hilton to before we bail on his career.

That seems fair. Its not like previous teams and/or staffs didn't have marginal big guys who saw minimal time. Tsalmpouris, Edozie, Ernst, Carter, and now even Holden could make that list. Not that he didn't have his rough spots, but not sure how the last two seasons would have unfolded without the McKay transfer. Been tough to recruit impact bigs to ISU. (And yes I realize we've had Niang, Brackins, Alexander, Fizer, etc.) But overall, it hasn't been easy, even for Fred.
 

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What has our fan base turned into? The guy has not even played a min for ISU and everyone already hates him. Go watch some footage of the guy playing and you will see what he is. A bigger more physical McKay.

No one hates him. Just simply stating that he hasn't shown he is any good. he hasn't shown he is anywhere near as good as McKay.
 
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Didn't realize Rashaad Muhammad and Austin Nichols were grad transfers. Wonder how that works being a grad transfer at semester?

If they both wait until May to transfer those are names I'd love to see isu connected to.
 

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Didn't realize Rashaad Muhammad and Austin Nichols were grad transfers. Wonder how that works being a grad transfer at semester?

If they both wait until May to transfer those are names I'd love to see isu connected to.
Nichols- no thanks. The kid is a head case.
 

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This is a program that should be getting high-profile players and there are other post up bigs who are talent wise much better than kasongo, so it's not really pessimistic it's just we can get a better talent than him.

We've got a hell of a class of freshmen coming in too. I trust the staff saw something there that they felt they could work with.
 

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It's not default pessimism. It's looking at Kasongo's history (1.4 ppg), reading between the lines (no positive reviews), and then making a judgement about the future.

My point is that we probably could have found a better player as a mid-year than Kasongo will give us.
I like this attitude. This board was on fire when Dustin Hogue committed to us, he was terrible and couldn't even see the court at IHCC. And all those posters were so right about him.

You either trust Prohm or you don't. Time will tell about Kasongo.
 

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This thread makes is sound like we are out of schollies and Kasongo is keeping us from taking a stud in his place. Last I saw we had 2-3 still available even with him on the team.