Need to go big vs certain teams

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We were 13-8 at one point, surely you can do the math at that point in the season and see at that pace we could have missed the tourney?

We finished winning 6 out of 8 and winning the Big 12 tourney, thats why the ended up with a 5 seed. You seriously don't understand we were a bubble team at 13-8?

In no way did I think we had a chance to miss the tourney that year but then again I'm not a moron
 

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If we play two bigs, who loses minutes (TH, THT, LW, MS, NWB)? Does two bigs actually give us a mismatch in our favor? Can Jacobson guard their 4 and can he score enough in the post against their 4 to offset sitting one of the guards? Are we willing to drop a couple more games trying to experiment with two bigs?

I personally don't think it was a lineup issue last night. I think we just didn't play with the urgency needed. Baylor rebounded better because they wanted it more, not because they were taller.

I agree with this. People also forget that we didn't go small early enough to beat a big Purdue team in the tourney. Reality is it comes down to effort and execution
 
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The minutes come from LW and THT if you go two bigs. As good as those two guys can be, they can be absolute black holes at times. One stretch last night, LW had missed 3 (it was forced), leaves man wide open for 3 pointer, followed by a turnover while forcing the action. Those bad stretches happen with regularity and kill momentum.
 

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If we play two bigs, who loses minutes (TH, THT, LW, MS, NWB)? Does two bigs actually give us a mismatch in our favor? Can Jacobson guard their 4 and can he score enough in the post against their 4 to offset sitting one of the guards? Are we willing to drop a couple more games trying to experiment with two bigs?

I personally don't think it was a lineup issue last night. I think we just didn't play with the urgency needed. Baylor rebounded better because they wanted it more, not because they were taller.
I think this is key. If we put two bigs in but are completely out of position on defense then we won't be improving our rebounding at all.
 
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It is what it is. Whether it's good or bad we are not gonna change. We will win when we shoot well and we will lose when we don't. Precisely because we don't rebound well or play great defense. We had 1 starter in double figures last night, but we are not gonna play 2 bigs. We are not gonna play a zone. We are not gonna draw up a play to score with 2 seconds on the shot clock. We are what we are.

Good news is if we get hot we could go deep into the tourney. Bad news is if we don't we'll be out quickly.
 

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It sucks to lose -- especially at Hilton. But 19-7 and Top 25 is a record I'll take at this point.

I've seen fan posts across many threads stating they are happy with 19-6 and now 19-7 records. (I guess it is because of how bad last year was). Do you think that was the goal of the team set at the beginning of the year? I'm certain their goals included championships and not just making the NCAA tourney field. Making the NCAA field is a better result than last year but, like football, winning championships is the goal.
 

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Baylor wasn't really bigger than us. They only played one guy over 6'7" at a time. The difference was that they were relentless on the boards and they crashed the offensive glass hard. Many times our guards were leaking out looking to get the break going rather than crashing the boards. That is awesome if we can get the board, but last night we didn't.

Also, at times, ISU defenders seemed to lose their guys after BU put up a shot, and were just standing and watching BU rebound. ISU simply didn't adjust to BUs style of play. The troubling thing is that ISU should know that BU crashes the boards (at least they seem to do it everytime they play ISU). Just executing basic fundamental rebounding could have gone a long way last night.
 

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I don’t know why I guess. 4 guards is just not going to work against everyone and many were saying this back in November.

Ironically everyone on this board was complaining about Prohm not playing a 4 guard small ball lineup against Purdue in the NCAA tournament a few years back... IMO our lack of energy at home is hurting us just as bad if not more than our lineup.

I just wish that CSP would realize Baylor is a terrible match up for Jacobson and that he should have thrown Conditt out there when Lard needed a break.
 

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Baylor wasn't really bigger than us. They only played one guy over 6'7" at a time. The difference was that they were relentless on the boards and they crashed the offensive glass hard. Many times our guards were leaking out looking to get the break going rather than crashing the boards. That is awesome if we can get the board, but last night we didn't.

Just like Baylor @ Waco, Iowa, TCU, and the K-STate loss we flat out got beat by guys working harder than us. We have too much damn talent for us to get beat by teams because we refuse to match their intensity. It's one thing when this happens on the road but to lack energy in Hilton make me want to puke.
 

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If we play two bigs, who loses minutes (TH, THT, LW, MS, NWB)? Does two bigs actually give us a mismatch in our favor? Can Jacobson guard their 4 and can he score enough in the post against their 4 to offset sitting one of the guards? Are we willing to drop a couple more games trying to experiment with two bigs?

I personally don't think it was a lineup issue last night. I think we just didn't play with the urgency needed. Baylor rebounded better because they wanted it more, not because they were taller.

Rebounding aside, we had two really long stretches without a basket last night and that isn't being talked about enough. We could have survived the massive rebounding disparity if it wasn't for those terrible offensive stretches. That just can't happen at home.
 
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I suppose we can all agree that rebounding is a problem with this team, currently we are 117 in the nation in rebound margin. We are ahead of KU and Ok, stopped looking after that.

I would love for this team to have someone like Hogue or the Murphy kid from Minnesota, that 6" 7' kid, who understands my job is to rebound every missed shot and take it back up.

Some have mentioned that our guards are leaking out and trying to get into the fast break instead of staying at home and rebounding. I have not noticed, but we sure do seem to get killed on the boards some nights.
 

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They shouldn't need to go big to keep from giving up that many offensive boards. There were too many guys standing there instead of finding a body to block out. You aren't going to keep Vital totally in check on the glass but the other guys were getting them as well and that can't happen.
 
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Good Old Larry Eustacy might have been a little tough but he won back to back regular season titles and won over 30 games in one season, and also just missed the Final Four while playing Mich St in their back yard aka Auburn Hills, MI...If the game had been played in KCity ...Larry would have taken us to the Final Four....Larry really only wanted 3 things out of his teams Play Defense and Out Rebound your opponent, and shoot more Foul Shots than your opponents.....and it worked...

Larry wore the guys out to win a Big 12 title and got bounced in the 1st round or the Big 12 tourney and got beat as a 2 seed by Hampton in at the time a monumental upset that highlights of that ******* coach were shown at tournament time for a number of years. But the Big 12 title was nice. Just remember it wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows then either. However the loss last night was inexcusable.

Yes I said Hampton
 

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