Need to go big vs certain teams

[jsb]

People who have never led or managed people tend to believe that yelling all the time is effective for some reason.

I don’t even care about the yelling although you are right that would never fly now (as evidenced by his lack of sucess).

But it is annoying to hold him as the gold standard even though he had 2 amazing years but 3 bad and/or rebuilding years. And people want prohm fired for 1 rebuild/bad year.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

There were times last night when it looked like Baylor was just throwing it up against the glass and planning on getting the rebound. I said in the other thread that we need to be able to rebound with teams like Baylor and TCU, and the only way of doing that is with 2 bigs on the floor.
Its late February, we have had plenty of time to practice with both of our bigs on the floor at the same time. No one is saying play that way the rest of the year, but some games we may end up doing it most of the game, and last night was one of those times.

 

[JP4CY]

We need to practice it for sure. A package for special situations or matchups. Not for the whole game, but for 5-10 minute stretches as needed.

Agree. I'm suprised Conditt has seen some minutes.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I see both sides of it. Obviously our guards are our strength and if we go small teams have to adjust to that too. I think his main focus is maxing out our team and that is us going small instead of worrying about matchups

Next are you going to say we haven’t practiced zone defense because we’re a man team and we want to max out? Or zone offense because that’s what we normally see and want to max out?

This maxing out narrative has become a guise.
Maxing out is being prepared in mid-February to win home games against average teams like Baylor and TCU so that you compete for a conference title and a better post-season seed.

And although our guards may be our strength, we’re months into knowing that they tend to play small more than they do small-ball.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I don’t even care about the yelling although you are right that would never fly now (as evidenced by his lack of sucess).

But it is annoying to hold him as the gold standard even though he had 2 amazing years but 3 bad and/or rebuilding years. And people want prohm fired for 1 rebuild/bad year.

The people who want Prohm fired did not want him to be hired in the first place, and there's nothing he's going to be able to do at this point to win them over. So **** those people (in my humble opinion, of course).

 

[SCNCY]

There were times last night when it looked like Baylor was just throwing it up against the glass and planning on getting the rebound. I said in the other thread that we need to be able to rebound with teams like Baylor and TCU, and the only way of doing that is with 2 bigs on the floor.
Its late February, we have had plenty of time to practice with both of our bigs on the floor at the same time. No one is saying play that way the rest of the year, but some games we may end up doing it most of the game, and last night was one of those times.

I am pretty sure the announcers were saying the same thing.

However, I agree with this thread. Baylor just had bigger people playing and we were unable to rebound against it. There were times when we had position on a Baylor player, but their height allowed them to tip the ball back to their guards. Which is another problem, our guards play to try and get the fast break. Once the ball hits the rim, our 2-3 guards are trying to get up court to get in position for the offense. Baylor on the other hand sent all five guys for the offensive rebound against our 2 defense rebounders.

Also, when we transition from offense to defense, once the ball is in the air, or hits the rim, we don't go after the offensive rebound, we fall back to get ready for defense.

Last night, if we had 2-3 properly sized bigs down low getting defensive rebounds, they could have threw it up court to the guards for quick breaks. This may have caused Baylor to stop pressing so hard on the offensive rebounds and instead falling back on defense after their shot was in the air. But this all depends on having properly sized bigs down low on defense, which we lack.

 

[CyTwins]

Next are you going to say we haven’t practiced zone defense because we’re a man team and we want to max out? Or zone offense because that’s what we normally see and want to max out?

This maxing out narrative has become a guise.
Maxing out is being prepared in mid-February to win home games against average teams like Baylor and TCU so that you compete for a conference title and a better post-season seed.

And although our guards may be our strength, we’re months into knowing that they tend to play small more than they do small-ball.

I'm not saying anything. I'm repeating what our coach said

 

[NoCreativity]

Were they even practicing with 2 bigs when Solomon was trying to work his way back?

If not that is a major concern. Losing him hurt because we could have been a hybrid team and player bigger or smaller depending on marcjios. We could have played him and Lard/ Jacobson together in games like last night.

Then again, he could have rotted away on the bench also, I could see Prohm insistent on watching THT shoot fade away NBA 3's or NWB showing no sense of urgency and walking the ball up the floor instead.

What's frustrating to watch is we continually let teams like Baylor dictate the pace instead of trying to push the ball up the floor, we are intent on just running a half court set. How about making them play at our pace for once?

 

[CyTwins]

Were they even practicing with 2 bigs when Solomon was trying to work his way back?

If not that is a major concern. Losing him hurt because we could have been a hybrid team and player bigger or smaller depending on marcjios. We could have played him and Lard/ Jacobson together in games like last night.

Then again, he could have rotted away on the bench also, I could see Prohm insistent on watching THT shoot fade away NBA 3's or NWB showing no sense of urgency and walking the ball up the floor instead.

What's frustrating to watch is we continually let teams like Baylor dictate the pace instead of trying to push the ball up the floor, we are intent on just running a half court set. How about making them play at our pace for once?

No. This hasn't been a secret

 

[NoCreativity]

No. This hasn't been a secret

Unreal, then this coaching staff deserves all the criticism it's getting. He honestly thought the 4 guard lineup would work agaisnt physical teams again?

We went through that in 2016-17 and could have easily missed the tourney with 4 of the best seniors in school history. You would have thought he would have learned from that year.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I'm not saying anything. I'm repeating what our coach said

Is his you Steve?

“I see both sides of it.”
“Obviously our guards are our strength and if we go small teams have to adjust to that too.”


You’re commenting and giving opinions on what the staff has said.

 

[CyTwins]

Lol, is this you Steve?
“I see both sides of it.”
“Obviously our guards are our strength and if we go small teams have to adjust to that too.”

No. I think it would have been much smarter to practice running some with two bigs in at the same time personally. I see his side too, he wants to max out this team and seems to be the type that would rather master one thing than be a jack of all trades but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it

 

[CyTwins]

Unreal, then this coaching staff deserves all the criticism it's getting. He honestly thought the 4 guard lineup would work agaisnt physical teams again?

We went through that in 2016-17 and could have easily missed the tourney with 4 of the best seniors in school history. You would have thought he would have learned from that year.

We were a 5 seed that year. How could we have easily missed the tourney?

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Were they even practicing with 2 bigs when Solomon was trying to work his way back?

If not that is a major concern. Losing him hurt because we could have been a hybrid team and player bigger or smaller depending on marcjios. We could have played him and Lard/ Jacobson together in games like last night.

Then again, he could have rotted away on the bench also, I could see Prohm insistent on watching THT shoot fade away NBA 3's or NWB showing no sense of urgency and walking the ball up the floor instead.

What's frustrating to watch is we continually let teams like Baylor dictate the pace instead of trying to push the ball up the floor, we are intent on just running a half court set. How about making them play at our pace for once?

We can not set the pace when we are not getting the rebound, its that simple. Baylor had 18 offensive rebounds last night to our 8, so we gave them 10 more chances at scoring after their first shot. The same thing happened in Waco, just not as bad when they out rebounding ISU by 8.

 

[bozclone]

Baylor wasn't really bigger than us. They only played one guy over 6'7" at a time. The difference was that they were relentless on the boards and they crashed the offensive glass hard. Many times our guards were leaking out looking to get the break going rather than crashing the boards. That is awesome if we can get the board, but last night we didn't.

 

[FinalFourCy]

No. I think it would have been much smarter to practice running some with two bigs in at the same time personally. I see his side too, he wants to max out this team and seems to be the type that would rather master one thing than be a jack of all trades but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it

The odd thing is that this team’s strength is rooted in being a jack of all trades, and having a versatile roster. We have great efficiency metrics because we don’t consistently get killed in one area (although that’s slipping some as coaches learn to exploit our rebounding and defense), but we also aren’t a master of anything. Maybe not turning it over.

It’s hard to believe that the staff would see our length but trouble with rebounding and staying in front of good/quick guards, and decide to not practice a lot of two bigs and zone defense.

 

[NoCreativity]

We can not set the pace when we are not getting the rebound, its that simple.

Thats not true, how many times do we just casually dribble the ball up the court and run our basic half court set where guys just dribble around the perimeter?

Whats wrong with pushing the pace on offense after a made basket? We need to make these teams play our game, not let them dictate. It's the reason we always play well against Kansas and guard oriented teams, they play to our strengths.

 

[CloniesForLife]

It looked like a cluster to me.

So we should do something we don't practice and expect to be better?

 

[NoCreativity]

We were a 5 seed that year. How could we have easily missed the tourney?

We were 13-8 at one point, surely you can do the math at that point in the season and see at that pace we could have missed the tourney?

We finished winning 6 out of 8 and winning the Big 12 tourney, thats why the ended up with a 5 seed. You seriously don't understand we were a bubble team at 13-8?

 

[bozclone]

If we play two bigs, who loses minutes (TH, THT, LW, MS, NWB)? Does two bigs actually give us a mismatch in our favor? Can Jacobson guard their 4 and can he score enough in the post against their 4 to offset sitting one of the guards? Are we willing to drop a couple more games trying to experiment with two bigs?

I personally don't think it was a lineup issue last night. I think we just didn't play with the urgency needed. Baylor rebounded better because they wanted it more, not because they were taller.