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Triggermv said:
Finally saw Doctor Strange in 3D yesterday and my quick reaction was that I liked it, but didn't love it. What I liked most about it was the creation of a bunch of new fun characters, including Doctor Strange, it was a truly ground-breaking fun film from a trippy visual effects standpoint, and I found the ending to be fairly innovative and different. On the downside, it was a fairly formulaic typical Marvel origin story, I found the ever-changing ground rules of the magic being hard to follow and very on and off as a plot device, there was a fair amount of plot holes, and lastly, I found the magic to be a little too extreme and out there for what I was personally looking for in the MCU. I'll be the first to admit that last point was a fairly big one for me and held back my excitement throughout the movie. While it was good and probably exactly what some people were looking for from a tripping out-there standpoint, maybe that stuff just isn't quite my cup of tea, and that is okay. Deadpool was kind of the same way. It also wasn't really up my alley, but at the same time, I can respect and still enjoy the new innovative filmmaking style. So, in the end, based on its Rotten Tomato rankings alone, I'd call this film to be a little overrated, but still a good film. In my mind, it is very squarely a middle-of-the-pack tier 2 MCU movie and NOT even close to jumping into the top tier.

Lastly, on another note, while I'm NOT a big 3D movie guy, I did end up seeing this movie in 3D and truthfully, I wouldn't recommend seeing it any other way. This movie alone could be the reason why 3D should still stay around as the visual 3D aspect of this is what made the movie so ground-breaking. In my mind, I can't even visualize what it would look like in 2D. I really can't. It almost can't even be possible to be the same movie. So word of advice, fork over that extra cash and go 3D. You'll thank me later.

Once everything settles in, I'll post my usual full review as well as updated rankings at a later time. Feel free to react to my initial thoughts above.
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I can certainly understand thinking the magic is a bit too "out there." That's pretty much Doctor Strange in a nutshell and I think it's fitting. In a world where you have the Avengers taking care of bad things, something has to be ridiculously outside expectations for them not to be able to handle it. I think that has always been one the primary challenges with Doctor Strange in movie form: you have to explain so much for it to make sense and even then there will be exceptions as far as the multiverse stuff goes. I think they did about as good as can be expected on that front while still maintaining the integrity of the material. Due to these things, I don't think we've seen the best of Doctor Strange yet.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
I can certainly understand thinking the magic is a bit too "out there." That's pretty much Doctor Strange in a nutshell and I think it's fitting. In a world where you have the Avengers taking care of bad things, something has to be ridiculously outside expectations for them not to be able to handle it. I think that has always been one the primary challenges with Doctor Strange in movie form: you have to explain so much for it to make sense and even then there will be exceptions as far as the multiverse stuff goes. I think they did about as good as can be expected on that front while still maintaining the integrity of the material.
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That, and his approach is so different. It struck me while I was thinking about how I never really got into Dr. Strange at a younger age. The man is much more pragmatist than idealist, and that makes for a very different kind of hero to identify with while you work your way through the other stuff.
 
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I'm going to try to convince the family to see Dr. Strange versus Trolls this weekend. Wish me luck.

Random question for anyone: In your opinion, does a bad superhero movie made by one studio (ex. Batman vs Superman) hurt the turnout for something that MCU puts out (ex. Dr. Strange) ?
 
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I'm going to try to convince the family to see Dr. Strange versus Trolls this weekend. Wish me luck.

Random question for anyone: In your opinion, does a bad superhero movie made by one studio (ex. Batman vs Superman) hurt the turnout for something that MCU puts out (ex. Dr. Strange) ?
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Not a ton at this moment, but in the long run, I'd say absolutely yes. I'll even be the first to admit that I'm starting to see some superhero fatigue setting in for the general public people around me (I'm in this for the long haul) and I've always been of the opinion that good movies will help to stall it out, while bad movies will only accelerate it. I also think that unfortunately when it comes to the overall arching superhero fatigue that I'm referencing, it mostly isn't a fatigue for a particular brand, but rather ends up hurting the genre altogether. So, beings how we are in the early stages, I think Batman vs Superman isn't having too much effect on Dr. Strange numbers, but I do think that if WB keeps producing stinkers, it will eventually also take its toll on the MCU numbers too, especially if we start to see some bad MCU ones too. As much as we hate to admit it, I think we'd be surprised at how many people still go to see superhero movies in theaters for just a fun flick that still don't know the difference between DC and Marvel.
 
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helechopper said:
Best thing about this movie is the brilliant way in which Dr. Strange beats the bad guy. It's a trip...and one worth taking imo.

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The more I consider how he "wins" against the Dormamu the more I come to appreciate it and how different it is from normal superhero movies.
 
Triggermv said:
Not a ton at this moment, but in the long run, I'd say absolutely yes. I'll even be the first to admit that I'm starting to see some superhero fatigue setting in for the general public people around me (I'm in this for the long haul) and I've always been of the opinion that good movies will help to stall it out, while bad movies will only accelerate it. I also think that unfortunately when it comes to the overall arching superhero fatigue that I'm referencing, it mostly isn't a fatigue for a particular brand, but rather ends up hurting the genre altogether. So, beings how we are in the early stages, I think Batman vs Superman isn't having too much effect on Dr. Strange numbers, but I do think that if WB keeps producing stinkers, it will eventually also take its toll on the MCU numbers too, especially if we start to see some bad MCU ones too. As much as we hate to admit it, I think we'd be surprised at how many people still go to see superhero movies in theaters for just a fun flick that still don't know the difference between DC and Marvel.
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I agree with the above. Civil war was fun for me, but I just couldn't get into like the past few. I think Doctor Strange was exciting in that it was different and visually it was in a class of its own. Then again, that's probably fitting considering the pages of VFX people in the credits.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
I agree with the above. Civil war was fun for me, but I just couldn't get into like the past few. I think Doctor Strange was exciting in that it was different and visually it was in a class of its own. Then again, that's probably fitting considering the pages of VFX people in the credits.
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That is funny since I felt about the complete opposite. I guess to each their own. Civil War was the most fun I've had in a movie in a while.
 
http://screenrant.com/shawn-levy-marvel-actor-schedule-jeremy-renner/

Very interesting article, which shouldn't be surprising to see at all. I've sensed a growing disdain out there from non-superhero movie/TV directors to superhero movies, not only from the genre dominating the box office, but I've also wondered their thoughts on the now tied-up scheduling of nearly every big-name star out there affects them. While I love the genre and get why it is the way it is, I can understand their frustrations for sure. The hard part is that it isn't just a Marvel thing either since the DCEU actors and Fox X-Men universe actors are nearly in the exact same boat. Shoot, I haven't even mentioned any of the other shared universes out there that are already rolling or are trying to get off the ground right now. The end result is a scheduling nightmare for everyone involved and will likely only get worse.
 
Now that I've got a chance to see Doctor Strange and post my review on here, I figure I might as well update it into my MCU rankings I like to keep. If you've read my review, you'll quickly realize that my Doctor Strange rankings probably WON'T be as high as most other people's, and that is okay. I still enjoyed the movie. Again, you'll see I also have all the properties tiered out into 3 tiers. Please feel free to respond with your thoughts or own personal rankings.


  1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier – Thought this movie had the best drama and best writing and story line of all the movies. Its action sequences were probably only second to Civil War as well.
  2. Marvel’s The Avengers – Iconic way to pull everything together with the best villain in the MCU. The final battle was so epic and unlike anything we had ever seen up until that point.
  3. Captain America: Civil War - Most fun and one of the funniest movies on the list. Also produced the best action sequences, had some of the best character moments, and showcased the best balancing act of so many characters. Biggest downfall was having a very good, but not great story line, which kept it from topping my list.
  4. Iron Man – Epic way to start the Universe with an unbelievable star for a headliner. Never got into the Iron Monger villain though.
  5. Guardians of the Galaxy – Best space epic since the original Star Wars movies. Also was probably the funniest movie of the MCU so far.
  6. Marvel's Daredevil: Season 2 - The introduction of Jon Bernthal's Punisher in Season 2 was what truly made this season great and better than Season 2. Had a few pacing issues, but overall, the series only improved all the characters within it from Season 1, but I'm still so-so on all the Electra stuff. Still needs a few more crossovers, but had a few.
  7. Marvel’s Daredevil: Season 1 – Loved the street-level more-adult-themed tone of this show. Also contains probably the second best villain in the MCU. Being on Netflix is a great way to un-cuff all the normal problems of making a TV show for network viewing.
  8. Ant-Man - Had super-low expectations, but walked away pleasantly surprised. Yet another weak villain, but contained some great comedy with some great actors. Paul Rudd won me over when I once was really skeptical of him.
  9. Captain America: The First Avenger – Epic first-half of the movie with Cap’s origin story, but believe it or not, I found Red Skull a little underdeveloped. Loved the WWII time period aspect of this one.
  10. Marvel's Jessica Jones - Series filled with great actors, great drama, good diversity to what we are used to, and one of the best villains in the MCU (Kilgrave). Series suffered most from having probably 3-4 too many episodes, poor pacing, and not enough ties to the overall MCU.
  11. Doctor Strange - This was a fairly Marvel formulaic origin story with some ground-breaking visual effects, a mediocre villain, an innovative ending, and some great characters. However, its biggest problem for me is that it was probably just a bit too out there on the magic side to fully be my cup of tea, which is okay. I still enjoyed it.
  12. Iron Man 2 – Many will mock me, but I actually really enjoyed this movie and actually enjoyed it more than Iron Man 3. Make fun of me all you want, but I didn’t think Whiplash was that bad. I think this movie gets unfairly criticized.
  13. Avengers: Age of Ultron – Fun movie, but suffered from too much CGI action, too many characters, and too many storylines.
  14. Iron Man 3 – Don’t know what it is, but I just never really got into this one, and it probably had something to do with the big Mandarin villain twist towards the end. Also never really liked Killian either. Again, I surprisingly like Iron Man 2 better
  15. Thor – Don’t know what it is, but I just never got into this storyline or villains as much as the others. However, it is growing on me over time and I now like this more than Thor: The Dark World
  16. Marvel's Luke Cage: Season 1: Loved the music angle, loved Cottonmouth as the villain, loved the first 4 episodes. However, this was another Netflix series that really lost its way somewhere in the middle, and I really didn't care for any of the Diamondback stuff. Still enjoyed it, but definitely the worst Netflix series yet.
  17. Thor: The Dark World – Criticize me if you will, but I actually liked this movie more than probably most, but after re-watching it recently, it did fall some in my rankings. I now have the origin Thor above it.
  18. Marvel’s Agents of Shield: Season 2 – Liked the less cheese and more serious tone than the first season. Also, loved the Inhuman’s storyline. Used to hate Skye, but now don’t mind her. This is definitely the best AOS season so far
  19. Marvel’s Agent Carter – Loved the period timepiece aspect of this. Great show.
  20. The Incredible Hulk – Good movie, but not great. Never was into Norton for the role or the look they gave theHulk, so I was super glad when the switch was made and they remade the Hulk's appearance.
  21. Marvel’s Agents of Shield: Season 1 – Struggled hardcore in the first half-dozen episodes, but then finally picked up when Winter Soldier story line set in and the cheese started to fade. Overall, ended up really enjoying this.
  22. Marvel's Agents of Shield: Season 3 - Was VERY up and down throughout. There was times I really liked what they were doing, whereas other times where I really did not like what they were doing. Overall, the series is getting a little tired, too many forced fistfights, and still too high on the cheese factor. Still fun at times though.
  23. Marvel's Agent Carter: Season 2 - Great actors and characters combined with a poor, stand-alone story which lacked substance and true stakes to the MCU
 
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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/othe...abc-next-fall-first-two-episodes-will-a146790

Wow, well I'm not going to sit here and say I saw this coming. Granted, with ABC already bringing the Inhumans into their Agents of Shield show a couple seasons ago, and the rumored turmoil with the movie side that brought about, it has been thought for a while now that Inhumans movie has always been in jeopardy. However, I figured it was a matter of either continuing to stall it out or drop it, with just dropping it being the most likely scenario. I can't say I saw them ever switching around to just going the TV route for the Inhumans royal family. While I somewhat like it, I'm VERY hesitant at the same time beings how most this movie will likely take place in Attilan, which is another world. For those who don't know, to do it well, creating new worlds requires big budgets, which movies have and TV shows generally don't, even the Marvel ones. Creating ground-level heroes like Daredevil and Jessica Jones is MUCH easier to stay on the cheap than something like creating Attilan. I guess we'll find out.

One outside-chance way to look at this is that the Inhumans have always essentially been Marvel's replacement for the X-Men, which are owned by Fox right now. I've also always strongly thought that part of the reason why the Inhumans has gotten delayed out is because they've been trying to get some type of deal done with Fox to bring back the X-Men to Marvel and the Inhumans have always just been laid out there as their contingency plan if something can't get done. So, with that said, the outside-chance way to look at this is that shifting the Inhumans over to TV MIGHT be a signal that a deal has finally gotten done between Marvel and Fox to bring back the X-Men, which would render the Inhumans no longer valuable to the movie side. I'm crossing my fingers that this might be the case.
 
Triggermv said:
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/othe...abc-next-fall-first-two-episodes-will-a146790

Wow, well I'm not going to sit here and say I saw this coming. Granted, with ABC already bringing the Inhumans into their Agents of Shield show a couple seasons ago, and the rumored turmoil with the movie side that brought about, it has been thought for a while now that Inhumans movie has always been in jeopardy. However, I figured it was a matter of either continuing to stall it out or drop it, with just dropping it being the most likely scenario. I can't say I saw them ever switching around to just going the TV route for the Inhumans royal family. While I somewhat like it, I'm VERY hesitant at the same time beings how most this movie will likely take place in Attilan, which is another world. For those who don't know, to do it well, creating new worlds requires big budgets, which movies have and TV shows generally don't, even the Marvel ones. Creating ground-level heroes like Daredevil and Jessica Jones is MUCH easier to stay on the cheap than something like creating Attilan. I guess we'll find out.

One outside-chance way to look at this is that the Inhumans have always essentially been Marvel's replacement for the X-Men, which are owned by Fox right now. I've also always strongly thought that part of the reason why the Inhumans has gotten delayed out is because they've been trying to get some type of deal done with Fox to bring back the X-Men to Marvel and the Inhumans have always just been laid out there as their contingency plan if something can't get done. So, with that said, the outside-chance way to look at this is that shifting the Inhumans over to TV MIGHT be a signal that a deal has finally gotten done between Marvel and Fox to bring back the X-Men, which would render the Inhumans no longer valuable to the movie side. I'm crossing my fingers that this might be the case.
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FYI... this move to TV DOES NOT bode well for the chances that Vin Diesel will still be playing Black Bolt. I'm hoping he still does, but I'd call it very unlikely.
 
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/inhu...setting-revealed-will-not-serve-as-an-a146803

More info revealed, which I consider all encouraging. For one, since the first couple episodes will be released in IMAX, they are saying they will be "cinematic quality", which helps to qualm my low-budget concerns..... somewhat I guess. Also, the series will only be 8 episodes, rather than the Marvel Netflix standard of 13 episodes, or even worse, the usual network standard of 23 episodes like Agents of Shield. I've been hammering for a while now that all these Marvel TV properties, including the Netflix ones, are TOO LONG. In my mind, 8 episodes is actually about the perfect number to sustain a great series. Not only do stories not have to be stretched out too long, but neither do budgets either. Providing they get comparable budgets even to before, it allows them to go more all-out with each episode. This is why I'm excited that The Defenders is rumored to be 8 episodes as well. I'm hoping the same goes for Punisher, which I think is rumored to be true as well. Shoot, I wish all future series get tailored down. I literally haven't watched one Marvel season on TV produced yet that I haven't said it was too long, outside of Agent Carter's first season and that was only 8 episodes.
 
Now that we can put a tight bow on what was the 2016 comic book movie season, I figured it would be fun to finally rank them, so here goes for me:

1. Captain America: Civil War (no brainer)
2. Deadpool
3. Doctor Strange
4. X-Men: Apocalypse
5. Suicide Squad
6. Batman vs Superman
7. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows

Overall coming into the year, I thought this movie slate had all the potential in the world, but in the end, I've got to say that they overall did not live up to my expectations. Therefore, if I were to give this overall slate a yearly grade, I'd probably go with a B-. There really was some good ones, but there were also some solid disappointments for sure too.

Please feel free to share your 2016 rankings.
 
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Just saw Doctor Strange yesterday and i thought it was okay. I really wish they would have gave more backstory and at times it was kind of hard to follow. I thought the ending was pretty predictable with him using the eye of agamotto. I think it was a typical marvel movie and overall enjoyable.
 
Triggermv said:
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/othe...abc-next-fall-first-two-episodes-will-a146790

Wow, well I'm not going to sit here and say I saw this coming. Granted, with ABC already bringing the Inhumans into their Agents of Shield show a couple seasons ago, and the rumored turmoil with the movie side that brought about, it has been thought for a while now that Inhumans movie has always been in jeopardy. However, I figured it was a matter of either continuing to stall it out or drop it, with just dropping it being the most likely scenario. I can't say I saw them ever switching around to just going the TV route for the Inhumans royal family. While I somewhat like it, I'm VERY hesitant at the same time beings how most this movie will likely take place in Attilan, which is another world. For those who don't know, to do it well, creating new worlds requires big budgets, which movies have and TV shows generally don't, even the Marvel ones. Creating ground-level heroes like Daredevil and Jessica Jones is MUCH easier to stay on the cheap than something like creating Attilan. I guess we'll find out.

One outside-chance way to look at this is that the Inhumans have always essentially been Marvel's replacement for the X-Men, which are owned by Fox right now. I've also always strongly thought that part of the reason why the Inhumans has gotten delayed out is because they've been trying to get some type of deal done with Fox to bring back the X-Men to Marvel and the Inhumans have always just been laid out there as their contingency plan if something can't get done. So, with that said, the outside-chance way to look at this is that shifting the Inhumans over to TV MIGHT be a signal that a deal has finally gotten done between Marvel and Fox to bring back the X-Men, which would render the Inhumans no longer valuable to the movie side. I'm crossing my fingers that this might be the case.
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I hate this line of thought even though it may have some truth to it. Back when comics were actually selling from the mainstream publishers, the Inhumans were averaging a couple hundred books a month compared to the hundreds of thousands that the mutant books were getting. When listing out the Top 100 Marvel Characters you would list about 40 mutants and I doubt more than 1 Inhuman. Marvel may want them to be a replacement to the X-Men but they aren't and I think someone in the creative team realized this. I think that is why they killed the movie because it does look like a cheap way for them to try and butt out the X-Men movies, and I for one think it would have failed because of it. You can't really do what the Inhumans do in the comics on TV. I am not sure how your ground the royal family. Blackbolt especially will be difficult to do unless they just keep him on a throne the whole time. It seems to me Marvel is giving the Inhumans to ABC to give them something to do as an extension of Disney, giving the more human superheroes to Netflix to do right, and eventually plan on recovering the X-Men in similar fashion to Spider-Man being reeled back in from Sony. Although I still like keeping the mutants separate from their current universe of Avenger themed heroes.
 
More exact details on the upcoming Inhumans TV show that is upcoming next year on ABC and IMAX:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/inhu...ere-on-abc-september-26th-news-coming-a147154

Overall, I find the whole thing intriguing, especially since it sounds this the special effects budget will be much higher than any comparable thing we've seen before, which is essential in my mind. Almost seems like it will end up being kind of a hybrid of like a Marvel Netflix show and a movie. I guess I'm okay with it, but only if it is done well. Up until now, Marvel has proven they can pull off the low-budget Netflix shows nicely. Well, the Inhumans isn't the same as a low-budget Netflix show.
 
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