Mahomes or Allen?

[AuH2O]

Allen laid an egg this year for what we expect of him, but anyone giving up on him as a top 2 or 3 guy is foolish. Peyton Manning didn't win his first super bowl until he was 30; John Elway didn't win one until he was 37. Allen is a freak and could very well win a super in the next couple years.

Allen has two problems. First, he's an absolute turnover machine at times.
His second problem is this season was the cap friendly season. That roster is going to start looking drastically different. Just a quick glance to compare:

This years cap hit between Allen, Diggs and Milano is $33M
Next season's cap hit for those same three players is $73M

After that Allen's cap hit goes up even more. I think in two years it's nearly $52M alone. Allen is big, fast, athletic, with a quick release and a great arm. But he's not close to Mahomes. We saw how great Tyreke Hill is this year with a weak-armed QB. All Mahomes did was yawn and take his team to yet another AFC title game.

As for Burrow, we'll see. I really like him, but I know prior to yesterday's game if you put his playoff start stats next to Kirk Cousins, they are almost identical. I love Burrow, and I think he's an awesome franchise QB. But that Bengals defense for the past two playoffs has been amazing to the tune of 17 ppg and 2 TO/game. There are a lot of QBs in this league that are going to win if their defense generates two TOs and gives up 17. And holy hell, those WRs plus Mixon.

 

[ClonerJams]

Wait, what did you expect from him this year?

The expectation was to win the super bowl, but at least get to the AFC championship game. I love Allens game, but you cant deny he fell short this year of the expectations. From a stats point of view, turn the ball over less.

 

[PSYclone22]

The expectation was to win the super bowl, but at least get to the AFC championship game. I love Allens game, but you cant deny he fell short this year of the expectations. From a stats point of view, turn the ball over less.

If the expectation is to win the Super Bowl then of course you're going to be disappointed most of the time. The Bills had implied odds of about a 1 in 8 chance of winning the Super Bowl in the preseason.

It's fair to say that not getting to the AFC Championship is a failure, definitely.

 

[isufbcurt]

The expectation was to win the super bowl, but at least get to the AFC championship game. I love Allens game, but you cant deny he fell short this year of the expectations. From a stats point of view, turn the ball over less.

I always get a chuckle out of the QB vs QB debate. Allen didn't lose the game against Cinci yesterday, the Bills ****** run defense (mainly this) and 20 yard cushions did.

 

[cydsho]

I don't watch the NFL much anymore. But I get the sense that Mahomes has certainly peaked. And Allen is just figuring it out.

Not sure how accurate I am.

I don't watch the financial markets much but I get sense Twitter is on the rise and is a sound financial investment.

 

[JP4CY]

Allen is the most overrated QB in the league. Next year the Bills will have to gut a lot of the team because of the salary cap . They put everything into this year.

The Bills will and I think the Bengals will have to do some as well. The Chiefs have really set them selves up well the last 5 years and for years to come.

 

[Cyforce]

Obviously Burrows.

 

[GoHawks]

I always get a chuckle out of the QB vs QB debate. Allen didn't lose the game against Cinci yesterday, the Bills ****** run defense (mainly this) and 20 yard cushions did.

It's a fair point but Chiefs defense rarely does Mahomes any favors. I'd actually probably take Chiefs giving the Bengals 27 points next week. Allen and the Bills scored 10 points. The offense shares the blame

 

[houjix]

Jamarr will have to be paid too

Jamar will be 2026 after an almost certain 5th year option in 2025, Burrow will be a year ahead of that. Higgins and Boyd are both free agents after 2023. Mixon probably has a year left with the team and Perrine isn't exactly young and is a FA after this year. Bengals certainly found is easy to get high quality players at the top of the draft, but lets see how they handle picking near the bottom of the rounds.

 

[cydsho]

I'm completely biased towards Mahomes since I love the Chiefs but Allen is a great QB.
I'd say Mahomes is better because probably has more creativity that could win more games when you need something special. He can make any throw including ones you don't think exist.
Allen is strong and has an arm that's even stronger plus he's a really good runner. Maybe he'll be more durable?
Either way they are both great.

 

[tzjung]

This poll started literally the day after the Bills beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead. At the time, Allen looked every bit the MVP candidate, if not more so than Mahomes.

I understand that, but EVEN at that point in time Mahomes had been to 4 straight AFC Championship games, 2 SB, and won 1 SB. He also beat Allen in OT last year in the playoffs by scoring an end of regulation TD to tie the Bills in 13 seconds.

Yes, Allen had just beaten the Chiefs in the regular season ... But that's still nowhere near enough to state he was the better option even when this poll was new. At least these playoffs were able to definitively prove what half the voters in poll this already knew.

Yes, Allen is a top 3 QB in the NFL, but he's no Mahomes.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I have developed a lot of questions around Allen this year but, man, do I have a hard time thinking a lot of his issues revolve around a not very good offensive coaching staff. What they were doing to him yesterday bordered on criminal. "Let Josh Allen be talented" is not an offensive gameplan for the playoffs. Sure, you can go 12-4 or something doing that but you need to have to formulate some sort of scheme in the NFL playoffs and they decidedly did not, opposed to the Bengals who knew what they wanted to do and did it without just throwing the ball out and letting their stars make plays. I kind of look at offenses and how often their unheralded guys are making catches or runs that are successful. Really good offensive coaches get that with regularity. You have Hayden Hurst making plays, you have Jennings from San Fran making plays, you have whatever 4th receiver at the moment KC is playing making plays, Boston Scott making plays, etc. When you watch the Bills it's like Allen, Davis, and Diggs all the time. It works until it doesn't.

 

[houjix]

I'm completely biased towards Mahomes since I love the Chiefs but Allen is a great QB.
I'd say Mahomes is better because probably has more creativity that could win more games when you need something special. He can make any throw including ones you don't think exist.
Allen is strong and has an arm that's even stronger plus he's a really good runner. Maybe he'll be more durable?
Either way they are both great.

Allen is good, but I'm getting real Cam Newton-like vibes from him. Which, to be fair, was a pretty darn good QB for about 8-9 years, but courting danger every time he runs.

 

[houjix]

I understand that, but EVEN at that point in time Mahomes had been to 4 straight AFC Championship games, 2 SB, and won 1 SB. He also beat Allen in OT last year in the playoffs by scoring an end of regulation TD to tie the Bills in 13 seconds.

Yes, Allen had just beaten the Chiefs in the regular season ... But that's still nowhere near enough to state he was the better option even when this poll was new. At least these playoffs were able to definitively prove what half the voters in poll this already knew.

Yes, Allen is a top 3 QB in the NFL, but he's no Mahomes.

No, he beat the Bills defense, not Allen. It's the same problem I have with saying Burrow is 3-0 vs Mahomes. This isn't basketball, they never go head to head.

Beyond that, the last 5 matchups of KC vs Buffalo is 3-2 in favor of KC, but 1-2 over the last 3. But if you score the QB performances like a boxing match, it would go R1-Mahomes, R2-Mahomes, R3-Allen, R4-Split decision, R5-Allen. KC won rounds 1, 2, and 4, with 2 and 4 being playoffs, but as I said they don't play against one another. Based on QB performance alone, it's not crazy to think some would chose Allen.

 

[Mr Janny]

It's a fair point but Chiefs defense rarely does Mahomes any favors. I'd actually probably take Chiefs giving the Bengals 27 points next week. Allen and the Bills scored 10 points. The offense shares the blame

Exactly. It would be different if the game ended 28-27 or 35-31. But the Bills offense only managing 10 points at home, is a strike against Allen, no matter how you slice it.

 

[CloneIce]

I wonder if maybe, just maybe… Mahomes might also have allot to to do with Kelce’s success?

 

[RustShack]

Passing yards
Mahomes 5,250
Allen 4,283

TD’s
Mahomes 41
Allen 35

Completion%
Mahomes 67.1%
Allen 63.3%

Yards per attempt
Mahomes 8.1
Allen 7.6

Passer rating
Mahomes 105.2
Allen 96.6

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

The thing that worries me the most about Allen is his best feature is how physical he can be running the ball. Like Newton and Big Ben from Pittsburg, those types of QB's take a beating and have to transition to more of a pocket passer. Ben did that, Newton struggled with the change. It will be interesting to see how Allen handles his game when his body can no longer be as physical as he once was.

 

[DrClone]

Purdy

 

[flycy]

His turnover numbers are a big contrast. Allen had nearly twice the number of turnovers, this year than Mahomes did. He was near the top of the league in both fumbles and interceptions. It's a significant shortcoming in his game.

Giving Dak a run for his money in that department.