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Funny I have seen from 99% to 25% of the participants were students. I will give you this of the whole 3 arrests all 3 are enrolled at ISU, but I am surprised as big of event as this gathering was last night only 3 were arrested???
Don't fool yourself. There is not way it is anything close to 25%. That wouldn't make any sense. Also, I don't think the arrests are over, it's just hard to pick out arrests out of 25K people.
 
I personally don't think an occasional riot is the end of the world.

But I feel even more strongly about veishea. This is an idea aimed at saving veishea by coming up with a feel good solution for those who demand it. I don't take ads about people smoking pot and sticking a gun in their mouth seriously, but it makes the people who demand crack downs happy.

clearly the university feels differently though, so a "for show" solution doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
Perhaps that's a lot of the problem (3 arrests). If students feel they can get away with it then whats stopping this in the future? The Ames PD should just make an announcement that there will be zero tolerance for anything during these celebrations.

Tasers-they need to gas and Tas the S#$@ out of anyone getting out of control that should end things quickly.
 
Leath has not been the best administrator so far. He continues on his pace.
Leath made the final decision, but do you really believe that he was the only one that decided on this? I don't really see why people have a problem with this decision. There have been way too many problems that have been associated with Veishea in the past.
 
Tasers-they need to gas and Tas the S#$@ out of anyone getting out of control that should end things quickly.

The first night of that might actually be kind of fun. The sheer entertainment value of hearing dumbasses screaming "DON'T TASE ME BRO!" and subsequently getting what they deserve would be funny for a bit.
 
Don't fool yourself. There is not way it is anything close to 25%. That wouldn't make any sense. Also, I don't think the arrests are over, it's just hard to pick out arrests out of 25K people.

2500 or 25,000 People? I watched some of the video's and I think both numbers are a stretch, plus I think most of the people are actually taking cell phone videos of the fools rioting in some of the shots I saw........Of course this is how the civil war started.
 
I'm sure if it goes on hiatus you'll see an increase in year round events to open up the campus to alumni, without giving every party house in Ames the exact same target date to throw their rager.

It will not be the same.
 
It does suck, I just don't see how you can possibly hope to separate them. Students hear VEISHEA and immediately think that means time to get drunk and be stupid, that's all VEISHEA is to some people. Look at the start of the VEISHEA thread here, first page was all about getting drunk the entire week, that's what VEISHEA is now.

Honestly, when I was in school that's pretty much what it was to me. The difference was my definitions of each. I don't think my drunk was as drunk or my stupid as stupid....or at least my stupid didn't affect others very seriously.
 
Drunks chanting VEISHEA doesn't make it a VEISHEA event. Some of us are being ridiculed for "not seeing the connection". I think it's the other way around, frankly. I think more would be gained by hunting down the people responsible, and publicly stating "this is NOT what VEISHEA is, and we will not allow this to end what VEISHEA is supposed to be." VEISHEA brings people in to town, but the people actually coming to VEISHEA are not the same people that are coming to Ames to get drunk and party, and the students who see the week of VEISHEA as an excuse for binge drinking are generally not the ones with all the sweat equity involved in the events.

The more people try to make that connection, the more the myth that VEISHEA is just one big drunken brawl will be perpetuated.

No, I get your point. I am just saying it is not realistic. Negative reputations spread faster than positive ones. Do you think all of the news outlets are going to publish something redacting a link to VEISHEA when it happened during VEISHEA as it has five times in the past 20 years? No, the rest of the worl is going to see a simple causal link, rather than listen to a more complicated positive one. VEISHEA has a reputation, and this didn't help - it is like trying to explain to someone why you stole a car, when all they see is just that a car was stolen. (I can't think of a better example offhand that isn't literary.). Why and correlation doesn't matter in the media eye.
 
As an alum im disappointed, that people who are legally adults can't act like adults around a booze. I've blacked out more times than I can count but never acted in such a reprehensible manner. Looks bad on the University as a whole, that the one thing we make national news for all year outside of sports is this.
 
Leath made the final decision, but do you really believe that he was the only one that decided on this? I don't really see why people have a problem with this decision. There have been way too many problems that have been associated with Veishea in the past.

Exactly. I forget who said it, but "insanity is doing the same thing over an over again and expecting different results." They have tried that, now it is time to try something else. Maybe that mean just day events, a beer tent, a whole new festival. I don't know. But the last 20 years have shown history will repeat itself.
 
The riot wasn't university sponsored, no. It was not on the VEISHEA schedule of events.

But it is entirely appropriate to call it a VEISHEA riot. It only happened because it was VEISHEA week and everyone was chanting "VEISHEA" while tearing stuff down.

Wait for the week Clones win the NCAA. That will be the Big One. Last night will look miniscule.
 
Leath made the final decision, but do you really believe that he was the only one that decided on this? I don't really see why people have a problem with this decision. There have been way too many problems that have been associated with Veishea in the past.

Leath is the one paid the big bucks to make the call. He will probably cancel future activities also.
 
Leath is the one paid the big bucks to make the call. He will probably cancel future activities also.

No. There was an entire round table discussion about it, and Leath spoke last. There will be more discussions about the future.
 
No, I get your point. I am just saying it is not realistic. Negative reputations spread faster than positive ones. Do you think all of the news outlets are going to publish something redacting a link to VEISHEA when it happened during VEISHEA as it has five times in the past 20 years? No, the rest of the worl is going to see a simple causal link, rather than listen to a more complicated positive one. VEISHEA has a reputation, and this didn't help - it is like trying to explain to someone why you stole a car, when all they see is just that a car was stolen. (I can't think of a better example offhand that isn't literary.). Why and correlation doesn't matter in the media eye.

No, I don't think redactions will happen. The thing is, if no one even attempts to counteract the negative reps with positive info, if we all just roll over & say yup...kick me, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

One voice saying "no, this is not what VEISHEA is about" won't do much. Add more voices, and more authority (student leadership, faculty, administration), and you have a better chance of effecting change. Denouncing the people involved in last night's excesses, and divorcing them from a legitimate connection to VEISHEA, is about the only way to combat the negative publicity. Of course, that has to be combined with assisting the police in locating not just the ones doing the damage, but the mob that egged them on, and punishing them appropriately.

I've said it before, I'll keep saying it. The wrong people are being punished. And that's not right.