KU vs KSU Brawl

[SCyclone]

Pat Forde of Sports Illustrated writes about the incident, and it's not any too complimentary toward the KU program.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/22/kansas-kansas-state-fight-silvio-de-sousa-bill-self

 

[mctallerton]

Do you have something to add to the conversation?

Do you?

 

[Isualum13]

 

[BCClone]

Always thought Bowlsby was ball-less, have a feeling he will be all talk again.

 

[CyCrazy]

Do you have something to add to the conversation?

You sure as hell don't. Besides slurping everything KU, KU can do no wrong in your eyes.

 

[randomfan44]

A fun take on a gross event. Lots of weird all around.

 

[BCClone]

I like the comment about the lady at the end.

 

[jcyclonee]

Well, yeah, but then there's the whole Adidas thing.........

This was what he wore to their midnight madness thing, whatever they call it. So classy! I think Snoop Dogg was there, too. What a fine representation for the program.

It's not so much that Snoop was there. It's more so that he was there with stripper poles and a money gun.

 

[Halincandenza]

Pat Forde of Sports Illustrated writes about the incident, and it's not any too complimentary toward the KU program.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/22/kansas-kansas-state-fight-silvio-de-sousa-bill-self

He is just a bitter Mizzou fan. His take is a bit over the top.

 

[randomfan44]

You sure as hell don't. Besides slurping everything KU, KU can do no wrong in your eyes.

Again, I have stated repeatedly that Kansas clearly did wrong here. DeSousa crossed my line when he picked up that stool.

I wish he wouldnt have thrown punches but when the entire opposing bench rushed you and starts to push and shove you into the seats, I get it. He would have received a deserved 3 game or so suspension and went on with the season.

But as soon as he picked up that stool he lost me. He deserves whatever lengthy punishment he gets and if he was kicked off the team I would have zero problem with it.

 

[swiacy]

For some perspective on a Commissioner's response to an incident that was worse than this, go back to 1972 and review what the Big 10 did in response to the University of Minnesota and it's coach and players after their home game with Ohio State that year. Bill Musselman was the coach and one of the players was Dave Winfield.

 

[CyCrazy]

Again, I have stated repeatedly that Kansas clearly did wrong here. DeSousa crossed my line when he picked up that stool.

I wish he wouldnt have thrown punches but when the entire opposing bench rushed you and starts to push and shove you into the seats, I get it. He would have received a deserved 3 game or so suspension and went on with the season.

But as soon as he picked up that stool he lost me. He deserves whatever lengthy punishment he gets and if he was kicked off the team I would have zero problem with it.

But McCormick didn't stomp on a player.

 

[alarson]

Do you have something to add to the conversation?

Do you ever?

Take the hint you should've gotten the first time your worthless ass was banned

 

[cycopath25]

We've had the Malice in the Palace

I now dub this:

The Fracas in the Phog

 

[jcyclonee]

Someone made an interesting point on Twitter last night of the perception between basketball fights and, say, baseball or hockey. I get this one is different because it spilled into the stands and involved someone going full on old western saloon fight. But if two baseball or hockey players throw haymakers at each other it's part of the game. Two basketball guys do it and it's a national travesty.

To be honest, most baseball fights are pretty lame too.

 

[thatguy]

Again, I have stated repeatedly that Kansas clearly did wrong here. DeSousa crossed my line when he picked up that stool.

I wish he wouldnt have thrown punches but when the entire opposing bench rushed you and starts to push and shove you into the seats, I get it. He would have received a deserved 3 game or so suspension and went on with the season.

But as soon as he picked up that stool he lost me. He deserves whatever lengthy punishment he gets and if he was kicked off the team I would have zero problem with it.

Jesus man, aren't you just exhausted from defending your school? I grew up 20 minutes outside Lawrence surrounded by KU people, and I'm tired for my friends and family who have had to spend the last two years just constantly trying to explain how they are the victim.

KU is not the victim, they are never the victim, and it would be better for everyone if they just accepted their heel status instead of trying to prove to everyone that they are just getting picked on all the time. Both teams are at fault here, both teams have high level of assholery in this situation, but only one school here has constantly been in the news for the wrong things.

 

[heitclone]

Garrett and McCormack got involved only because their teammate was being pushed and shoved by multiple members of the KSU team who had left the bench to do so. There is a zero percent chance that they leave the bench and run the length of the court without that happening.

McCormack initially did what you are saying but then he ran around the basketball hoop and through a crowd of people to kick/stomp the plain clothes K State kid, he reacted to Garrett chasing after that kid. The fight was broken up by the time they got involved, they only escalated it. Garrett shouldn't be punished as much as McCormack but he was out of line.These weren't knee jerk reactions to their teammate being attacked, maybe intially but then they got involved. They only reason either of them stopped was bc the plain clothes kid got dragged out of the melee. Plenty of players got involved without assaulting anyone, these two actively participated in and escalated the fight.

 

[jpete24]

Bill Self Text Messages (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article220324810.html)

Snoop Dogg Money Cannon (https://www.kshb.com/news/local-new...ppers-controversial-performance-at-university)

Now this. If the B12 doesn't do anything about KU this year, then the conference has lost its integrity. I'm not sure there is a scenario in all of this where Bill Self is the head coach of the Jayhawks next year.

 

[madguy30]

So no issue with Elijah Johnson dunking at the end of the game in Hilton seven years ago?

Pretty sure THT or someone did it last year to someone.

It's frowned upon but within the rules.

Taunting is not, nor is clearing the bench, nor is grabbing a chair to swing at someone, nor is running up and stomping on people on the ground.

 

[intrepid27]

Kudos for the sting ray comment at the end. Brilliant.