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He might be willing to coach again, but I'm not sure anyone would take him. His stint at ISU was disastrous, and at times it looked like the game had passed him by.
 
jbindm said:
He might be willing to coach again, but I'm not sure anyone would take him. His stint at ISU was disastrous, and at times it looked like the game had passed him by.
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I think this is true. I think it also helped that he coached in the old big 12. His KU teams were never a world beater. He just had a few great draft picks, above average players and missed the big boys in conference. they dropped to 5-7 once those players left.


On a side note, does anyone read HCS ever? I tried to get into it because they cover big 12 sports and I liked the idea of a sports website that just focused on the big 12. I just couldn't get past their heavy bias towards Oklahoma schools and Texas schools. Not everything is bad but I remember they rated Iowa State of having the worst mascot because there wasn't hurricanes in Iowa. I think they also rated KU low because Jayhawks aren't a real bird. while true that isn't the reason for the name.
 
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jbindm said:
He might be willing to coach again, but I'm not sure anyone would take him. His stint at ISU was disastrous, and at times it looked like the game had passed him by.
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It did. With the exception of Leach, it's passed a lot of those spread innovators by. This is my opinion but it looked to me like he was trying to run his same offense against defenses that knew how to defend it. We're seeing it with RichRod as well. When you compare those guys to Leach, he's definitely evolved much more than those guys and he's been willing to build a defense and running game.

The same thing happened to Wally, imo.
 
NetflixAndClone said:
I think this is true. I think it also helped that he coached in the old big 12. His KU teams were never a world beater. He just had a few great draft picks, average above players and missed the big boys in conference. they dropped to 5-7 once those players left.
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Didn't they lose their last 7 that year too?

We were beating them 20-0 at halftime and they were ranked. Of course we blew it, but I think they may have lost out after that.
 
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AdamJGray said:
Didn't they lose their last 7 that year too?

We were beating them 20-0 at halftime and they were ranked. Of course we blew it, but I think they may have lost out after that.
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yes we were their last win that year. They started the season ranked 25. I still have the old college football game with them ranked.
 
Overall he's very complimentary to the ISU fans ("best in the world"), and very complimentary to Jamie Pollard. But he said a couple times that it was a far different program than any he'd ever seen. Odd...
 
AdamJGray said:
Didn't they lose their last 7 that year too?

We were beating them 20-0 at halftime and they were ranked. Of course we blew it, but I think they may have lost out after that.
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Wasn't that 2008, when KU went 8-5? 2009 was the game where Arnaud overthrew a wide open receiver (Robinson or Darks) in the last minute and we lost, and then KU lost 7 straight.
 
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CyArob said:
Wasn't that 2008, when KU went 8-5? 2009 was the game where Arnaud overthrew a wide open receiver (Robinson or Darks) in the last minute and we lost, and then KU lost 7 straight.
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Ah yes you are right.
 
AdamJGray said:
Didn't they lose their last 7 that year too?

We were beating them 20-0 at halftime and they were ranked. Of course we blew it, but I think they may have lost out after that.
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That was 2008 where we were up on them (and they were ranked). KU went 4-4 in conference and went to the Insight Bowl. 2009 was the year they beat us in Lawrence (Arnaud overthrew Darks late in the end zone which would of won the game) and then lost their last 7 to go 1-7 in conference play. Mangino was fired after that season.
 
CyArob said:
Wasn't that 2008, when KU went 8-5? 2009 was the game where Arnaud overthrew a wide open receiver (Robinson or Darks) in the last minute and we lost, and then KU lost 7 straight.
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Yes and I'm pretty sure it was Sumrall.

Edit: I'm talking about the 08 game. Sumrall was somewhat open down the sideline I believe and he was overthrown just a bit.
 
Tre4ISU said:
It did. With the exception of Leach, it's passed a lot of those spread innovators by. This is my opinion but it looked to me like he was trying to run his same offense against defenses that knew how to defend it. We're seeing it with RichRod as well. When you compare those guys to Leach, he's definitely evolved much more than those guys and he's been willing to build a defense and running game.

The same thing happened to Wally, imo.
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Leach, Dykes, Briles, Meyer...there's a handful of spread offense guys who have survived and thrived by changing and tinkering within their systems. But I think Mangino was stuck squarely in 2008. Everything he ran, defenses had already seen. Combine that with his inability to get on the same page with Rhoads, and I think he's done in the coaching field.
 
Tre4ISU said:
Yes and I'm pretty sure it was Sumrall.

Edit: I'm talking about the 08 game. Sumrall was somewhat open down the sideline I believe and he was overthrown just a bit.
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Yes it was Sumrall. I remember that like it was yesterday. He was WIDE open and Arnaud over threw him by about 1 yard. Had they connected it would have been the easiest touchdown either of them ever had.
 
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