NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread

[Mr Janny]

A massive % of the bets came in for the Bengals last week. As for them being doubted, that's a matter of record.

I'm sorry the Burrowhead stuff is standard sports disrespect.

As for people manufacturing chips on their shoulders, that's also standard sports stuff. That's SOP for Jordan for example.

This. Of course players/teams are going to take any slights, real or perceived, and make them bulletin board material. That's how it's done. To expect it not to happen? You might as well ask a duck not to quack.

Bengals players know that as well as anyone. And if the mayor of Cincinnati didn't, he should have. That doesn't mean that you can't smack talk, but if you do, and you don't back it up, you're going to have to eat a little ****. That's the cost of doing business.

It's not good or bad or anything. It's just the way it works.

 

[houjix]

This. Of course players/teams are going to take any slights, real or perceived, and make them bulletin board material. That's how it's done. To expect it not to happen? You might as well ask a duck not to quack.

Bengals players know that as well as anyone. And if the mayor of Cincinnati didn't, he should have. That doesn't mean that you can't smack talk, but if you do, and you don't back it up, you're going to have to eat a little ****. That's the cost of doing business.

It's not good or bad or anything. It's just the way it works.

Ya, players smack talking players is par for the course. People outside the game doing it is going to happen, too.

People who like to say that this shouldn't matter to the players and if they need bulletin board material to get up championship game they've already lost, just don't get how personal all of the guys take it whether they publicly say it or not. I think the talk out of Cincy that started with the Burrowhead crap ticked off KC the most.

 

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[cytor]

The officiating in the 9ers eagles game was less than stellar as well.

 

[ISUTex]

A massive % of the bets came in for the Bengals last week. As for them being doubted, that's a matter of record.

I'm sorry the Burrowhead stuff is standard sports disrespect.

As for people manufacturing chips on their shoulders, that's also standard sports stuff. That's SOP for Jordan for example.

A lot of that was Mahomes and his ankle. How would it impact his game? Turns out it did a little, but not enough. Oh, and Travis Kelce needs to have fewer microphones in his face.

 

[Mr Janny]

Whining about the refs is always a bad look. The game is never called perfectly. It's subjective. There are good calls and bad calls in every game. All of the wailing about "the fix was in!" is so ****ing middle school.

 

[cycfan1]

You think the ref discussion is bad this week... wait til the Super Bowl.
A ridiculous draw given the history with Cheffers and KC that no one is talking enough about yet.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

You think the ref discussion is bad this week... wait til the Super Bowl.
A ridiculous draw given the history with Cheffers and KC that no one is talking enough about yet.

Yeah, whatever perceived favoritism the Chiefs got last night will swing completely to the other side with Cheffers running the show. This isn't just bellyaching about officials, the long term officiating stat tracking bears it out with Cheffers' crew and the Chiefs.

 

[houjix]

You think the ref discussion is bad this week... wait til the Super Bowl.
A ridiculous draw given the history with Cheffers and KC that no one is talking enough about yet.

He called 5 on the Chiefs in the first LVR game and 10 when KC played the Texans. Last year both games he called were 7 against KC. Opposing penalties were 11 and 4 this year and 10 and 5 last year. The SB was 11 against KC, 4 on TB. It really is a mixed bag lately with Cheffers more than outright slanted against KC.

 

[JohnPrineforCy]

Chiefs vs Bills the overtime wasn’t fair. Chiefs vs Bengals the refs ruined the game. Blah blah blah blah the one thing that’s almost always consistent is that Mahomes is better than everyone and the Chiefs keeps winning. Don’t like it don’t give up a field goal with 13 seconds left and when you have the ball with two minutes left to win the game don’t get sacked on 3rd down by Chris Jones.

 

[houjix]

Chiefs vs Bills the overtime wasn’t fair. Chiefs vs Bengals the refs ruined the game. Blah blah blah blah the one thing that’s almost always consistent is that Mahomes is better than everyone and the Chiefs keeps winning. Don’t like it don’t give up a field goal with 13 seconds left and when you have the ball with two minutes left to win the game don’t get sacked on 3rd down by Chris Jones.

I'm fully ready to embrace the hate. I saw this coming after the SB win. If the Chiefs kept winning, the rest of the teams' fans were going to treat KC like the Patriots with Brady. But until I see KC pull any of the crap that organization pulled, I will chalk it up to jealousy and settle in in 2 weeks to watch them try to bring the Lombardi home, again.

 

[Halincandenza]

You think the ref discussion is bad this week... wait til the Super Bowl.
A ridiculous draw given the history with Cheffers and KC that no one is talking enough about yet.

Are you ******* serious? That is horrible luck for the Chiefs. How did he get the job? He is absolutely horrible.

 

[Halincandenza]

He called 5 on the Chiefs in the first LVR game and 10 when KC played the Texans. Last year both games he called were 7 against KC. Opposing penalties were 11 and 4 this year and 10 and 5 last year. The SB was 11 against KC, 4 on TB. It really is a mixed bag lately with Cheffers more than outright slanted against KC.

This is a stat from after the Texans game
Cheffers has accounted for 17 percent of the Chiefs’ total penalties and 20 percent of their penalty yards this season (postseason included) despite only working two of their games. They are one of the least penalized teams yet when he is working they get a lot. I feel like he is the kind of ref that likes to be the star of the show. And that is just the last two. I believe in the last 6-7 years Chiefs see a 25% increase in penalties when his crew works the game. His crew does call more penalties than others on average as well I think it is something like a 10% increase.

 

[GoHawks]

Are you ******* serious? That is horrible luck for the Chiefs. How did he get the job? He is absolutely horrible.

Should be working at a Footlocker

 

[houjix]

Are you ******* serious? That is horrible luck for the Chiefs. How did he get the job? He is absolutely horrible.

Crew needs to make the playoffs to be possible SB crews. His did. They also can't ref the Championships as well. His didn't. And it's usually the best crew from Divisional weekend that gets the gig. So really the options were Cheffers, Blakeman, Hochuli, and Vinovich. Vinovich is probably the best let them play crew at 10 flags per game. The other 3 all average around 14 flags per game. Cheffers team must have done the best of the 4 though.

 

[AuH2O]

Sorry if this was discussed before, but I need a rules expert to explain a play yesterday.

On a third down, one of the KC receivers, I think MVS is going down, reaches the ball out to reach the first down marker, then pulls it back, clearly prior to his knee touching the ground. The defender didn't push the ball, presumably he was called down by contact, not forward progress stopped.

A first down isn't like breaking the plane of the goal line. I didn't hear the call by the official, but did they say on the overturn that before he pulled the ball back they determined his forward progress was stopped? Because his knee was not down prior to the receiver pulling the ball back toward himself. The tackle didn't move the ball backward behind the line, the receiver pulled it back into his body clearly.

Someone help me out.

 

[Mr Janny]

Sorry if this was discussed before, but I need a rules expert to explain a play yesterday.

On a third down, one of the KC receivers, I think MVS is going down, reaches the ball out to reach the first down marker, then pulls it back, clearly prior to his knee touching the ground. The defender didn't push the ball, presumably he was called down by contact, not forward progress stopped.

A first down isn't like breaking the plane of the goal line. I didn't hear the call by the official, but did they say on the overturn that before he pulled the ball back they determined his forward progress was stopped? Because his knee was not down prior to the receiver pulling the ball back toward himself. The tackle didn't move the ball backward behind the line, the receiver pulled it back into his body clearly.

Someone help me out.

Pure theory here, but I think it's because a tackle can't eliminate forward progress. I believe they ruled that he extended the ball past the line, and then the tackle caused him to pull it back. It would be different if he crossed the line to gain and then went backwards, without getting tackled.

Imagine if he was attempting a spin move, when the defender initiated the tackle, and during the spin, the ball crossed the first down line, but ultimately it came back behind it as the tackle was completed. The majority of the momentum might belong to the ball carrier, but the way the forward progress rule is written, the tackle can't reduce already achieved forward progress.

I'm just shooting in the dark, though. It appears to be somewhat subjective.

 

[Dandy]

I hope I'm wrong but I think the Eagles are going to sh*tstomp KC.

That may have been the easiest season long walk to the Super Bowl we will ever see.

Game 1 at Lions, Goff, Campbell. Won by 3.
Game 2 vs Vikings, Cousins, first time head coach O'Connell.
Game 3 at Commanders when they were starting Wentz.
Game 4 vs Jaguars. Solid win by 8.
Game 5 at Cardinals who fired their head coach. Won by 3.
Game 6 vs Cowboys. Solid win by 9.
Game 7 vs Steelers. Blowout win against rookie QB.
Game 8 at Texans. #2 pick, new coach.
Game 9 vs Commanders. Against Taylor Heinicke. L
Game 10 at Colts. Win by 1. Yes I am aware Chiefs lost at Colts.
Game 11 vs Packers. Aaron Rodgers was not the same this year. Didn't make the playoffs.
Game 12 vs Titans. Ryan Tannehill lead the Titans in rushing...
Game 13 at Giants. Danny Nickels.
Game 14 at Bears. The team with the #1 pick.
Game 15 at Cowboys. No Hurts. L
Game 16 vs Saints. No Hurts. L
Game 17 vs Giants when the Giants sat practically every starter. Won by 6.
Playoffs vs Giants for a third time. Blowout. Saquon may be only Giant starter that would start for Philly.
Playoffs vs Purdy/Johnson/Injured Purdy. Blowout. Does Injured Purdy count as their 5th string QB?

Playoffs teams they beat in the regular season: Giants, Vikings, Jaguars, Cowboys. Killer lineup!

Who's the best from that list? Vikings with Kirk Cousins? The Jaguars? Niners with 4th/5th string QB?

The Eagles could win, but it will not be a blowout. Mahomes literally doesn't get blown out, except the Super Bowl vs the Bucs but that offensive line was atrocious.

Chiefs/Mahomes/Reid > everyone they've seen this year.

 

[AuH2O]

Pure theory here, but I think it's because a tackle can't eliminate forward progress. I believe they ruled that he extended the ball past the line, and then the tackle caused him to pull it back. It would be different if he crossed the line to gain and then went backwards, without getting tackled.

Imagine if he was attempting a spin move, when the defender initiated the tackle, and during the spin, the ball crossed the first down line, but ultimately it came back behind it as the tackle was completed. The majority of the momentum might belong to the ball carrier, but the way the forward progress rule is written, the tackle can't reduce already achieved forward progress.

I'm just shooting in the dark, though. It appears to be somewhat subjective.

I assumed that was the ruling, but I found it odd that aspect was never mentioned that I heard from the crew including the rules analyst. The force of the tackle itself did not make the ball move backward. It was very clearly the receiver himself pulling the ball back prior to being ruled down by contact. So the tackle stopped forward progress, but it did not cause the ball to move backwards.

 

[ZRF]

Eagles are so well rounded we of course have the better quarterback but after that it's hard to find a positional advantage. Reid is typically terrific after a bye week though so hopefully he's got a great game plan and we see a healthier group

Arguably Mahomes isn't even the Chiefs best player this year.

In previous years, when the effort was there, Chris Jones could be one of the best linemen in the NFL. One game he would be dominant, then the next he was a non-factor. Then there were games he'd dominate a play only to disappear for a quarter. This was the same even during the playoffs.

This year? Jones has been destroying the NFL and showing up every week. He led the league in pass rush win rate and that was despite being double (or triple) teamed more than any lineman in the NFL. This was also against a pretty tough schedule, against some of the better teams and coaches, in the league.

What Jones did last night was truly remarkable and something the stats, despite being very good, didn't completely capture. Jones absolutely destroyed or blew the opposing lineman(linemen) back on at least 50 percent of the snaps. He had 2 sacks, 3 tackles for loss, and 5 credited knock downs but there were numerous other times he drove the lineman back to within a few feet of Burrow. He decimated single teams, double, it didn't matter. When accounting for position Jones was easily the best player on the field and it wasnt particularly close.

Philly has a good Online but they will have their hands full. Jones requires the entire offensive game plan to start with how they will contain him. Philly has not faced a player of this caliber all season and I think Jones will be out for blood. That's a pretty big advantage for the Chiefs.

I think the biggest issue for the Chiefs is containing Hurts and preventing him from breaking contain and picking up backbreaking first downs.

Should be a great game.