I keep hearing about all of these rich investors. Not everyone who benefits from a rising stock market and dividends are fat cats. Where do you think your 401k, pension and other retirement funds are invested?
John Deere strike imminent?
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Union workers can’t make more than $275 a week during the strike though.
Definitely could see the leverage swing back to JD. Could see some public pressure on the workers too, if they appear to be getting too greedy.
Most investors, even 401K's, are institutions with large amounts of capital. Your 401k is a pool of investments made by an institution. The owner's of that institution (investment house) are making huge margins on the 401k contributions they are investing.
When people talk about rich investors they are talking about 1) upper management who have stock options in the company and 2) large investment institutions such as Apollo and BlackRock because these are the people that own most of the available share. They aren't talking about Todd and his E-Trade account or Dave's IRA investments.
I would think the other thing workers over 45 would have to consider is JD's health care benefits vs. what their new employer would offer.
Insiders hold less than 0.15% of stock. Vanguard is the largest shareholder of record at over 7.2%.
The big unknown in this equation for both Mgmt & Labor is automation of the production process.
Not an exact apples to apples manufacturing process, but with the transition to EV's will have an impact on JD production processes and labor requirements over the next 5-15 years. Tesla and other "new" car companies bring a fresh approach & technologies to the manufacturing approach. Ford, GM, etc. will need to follow suite and that will impact JD, CAT etc.
But rich investors aren't the only ones benefiting from the performance of stocks. If any of your investments, 401k or otherwise, in any way contain a stock, and you make money when that stock goes up, criticizing that company's management for making the stock price go up seems hypocritical.
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If they make us go to electric tractors, we will be having to have charging stations on each end of the field probably.
That's my point large institutions own a majority of the stock not Joe and his E-Trade account.
But the average Joe still sees the same percent on the average. I don’t understand why this is hard to comprehend.
Also I am firmly in the middle class but I don’t understand why people begrudge rich people nowadays. At some point someone in their family or themselves worked hard or took a big risk to make that money. I would love to be able to put my family in that position someday but realistically I’m just trying to put them in a better position then the opportunities my parents afforded me, which I am grateful for. But it just comes across as plain sour grapes when it comes to the rich these days. Everybody wants to take from them just because they have more. That’s not the America I want to be a part of. Go out and earn yourself a better way of life if you don’t like what you’re getting today or put your kids in a better position to do so.
I don't begrudge rich people, but I do begrudge corporations who won't take care of their employees.
We are scheduled to inherit millions in land when my wife's parents pass. They didn't work hard for that land and take a risk to earn that value. And my wife and I sure as hell didn't take work hard and take a risk for it. It is simply a product of land values increasing over time and we get to reap the benefit. I'm not complaining but I also know many other people have similar inheritances that is gifted to them.
But Vanguard sells their funds to average Joes. I own Vanguard and I am an average Joe so I own Deere through Vanguard.
Kind of true. You aren't buying full shares in mutual funds, IRA's or 401k's you are buying fractions of shares from many different companies while Vangaard itself owns the full shares and profits from the margins and fees. You can't call up Vangaard and say "buy more Deere shares for my mutual fund", you are at the mercy of what they want to invest in.
Somebody along her lineage did though. They weren’t just given that land from the government unless they were original settlers to which they took a risk.
This part isn't true. The yield has gone down but that is due to the stock price rising, the DE dividend per share has not been cut in a long, long time.
So if I buy stock today, my dividend yield return is the same as someone who bought back in 2015?
Not dividend yield (which is measured against stock price). For example. say DE paid $1.00 per share dividend in 2015, in 2021 they are paying $1.42. That is 42% increase in dividend payout over 6 years. If stock price has appreciated 60% over that 6 years, the dividend yield has decreased but the dividend payout has increased.
No, but I'm just saying that's not how dividends work or any decision that the company made to reduce that yield in that time. The dividend has risen 75 percent on a per share basis since 2015, but the stock price which the company doesn't directly control has outpaced even that growth. Similar to other things mentioned it would be silly for a company to base their dividends off of stock price only especially in cyclical industries.
Correct, if the company loses money, they will cut dividends, stock will go down and the the managers stock options could expire upside down. What doesn’t go down though is the employee wages. The employees in essence don’t get the large jumps but get the safety of having their wages and/or increasing annually. Commission or profit sharing are always the fairest way to compensate, but most employees don’t want the risk. So they trade the high potential reward for the safety.
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