JJeff Injury Updates

I just hope the staff and team realize how much better our offensive movement has been the last two games. ISU is better with JJ, but if we could incorporate that same ball movement from the last two games, with him on the floor, we could be unstoppable.
Actually the last 5 1/2 games, 3 1/2 with him on the floor.
 
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Part of the reason we've been better is because the guys turned it up for the postseason.

Another part is that teams haven't had a chance to fully scout what we'd look like without Jefferson.

None of that supports the idea that we're better without him.

If he suddenly reappeared at 100%, our ceiling for this tournament would be national championship and our expectation would probably be Final Four at minimum.

As it stands, they can still do that, but the path is harder than it would have been.
Why did TJ play JJ more instead of Heise is he stupid?
 
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I think there’s a massive correlation without causation factor going on. When Toure was aggressive and in attack mode offensively early in the season, ISUs offense was elite. When he went through his slump and became completely passive, our offense got stagnant because his guy was camping out in the lane screwing up much of what the offense needs to do.

Once in KC, for whatever reason, Toure looked like a whole new player and was back in attack mode, and the offense was elite again.

I don’t think people get how almost impossible it is to run any sort of offense when you have a wing that absolutely won’t shoot, particularly when we also have Pleta and BB on the court that are strictly around the bucket guys.

I really think the conference season turns into a slog/rut in addition to a freshman having to adjust to that and what other teams do to counter their strengths, and then that little 'reset' to something different like the conference tourney can invoke some change in confidence to assert themselves.
 
I'd rather see them sit JJ for Friday. I don't see any way he is 100%, and playing Friday super late means the Sunday turnaround will be significantly less than 48 hours. If he plays Friday, I would be surprised if that activity didn't degrade his health at least some for (hopefully) Sunday.

I guess I would roll the dice on beating Tennessee without him and hope he can be a bit healthier against a much better opponent (and tougher matchup) on Sunday. Then if you get by Sunday, he would have almost a full week to recover.

I might feel differently if we squeaked by TN State and/or Kentucky, but we have the talent to beat Tennessee without him if we keep playing the way we've been playing.
You really can't roll the dice and if you will need him for Michigan, because what happens if he can play, just not at 100% but you hold him out and get beat by Tennessee? With a sprain like this, it's not going to heal for a month, and staying off the ankle as much as possible. The team does not have a month to wait, nor can they assume they can beat Tennessee without him on the floor. There is no guarantee we are going to keep playing like we have the first two games, which has been great. What no one wants is to to lose this game and think, Jefferson could have gone for a few minutes but we were saving him for the next game to get him healthier.
 
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Actually the last 5 1/2 games, 3 1/2 with him on the floor.

Yeah the ball movement with JJ sure looked fine in KC.

Guys have stepped up for sure but that's just being ignored.

Also ignored is the lack of scoring to start the last game like people weren't losing their minds about how 'pathetic' the team was.
 
One thing that has helped us (even at KC with JJ in) is that teams have focused so hard on Milan not getting open shots that when we run screens for him, both defenders will go with Milan initially and that leaves a big driving lane open or an uncontested shot.

The fear of Milan has opened some things up for other players.
 
Small ball worked great vs KY but they let Toure, Tamin, and HEISE drive for about 20 combined layups. Just zero defensive effort from KY esp in 2nd half.

I would not expect a much more mentally tough Tenn team to mail it in like that on defense.

Sans JJ they will need to make a LOT of 3s and/or turn them over 20 times to be in it.
Facts. Kentucky was one of the worst defensive P5 teams we faced all year.
 


You can read between the lines, he is coming back but I wonder if they hold him Friday and hope we can win, then play him hard on Sunday.
 
And Tennessee may be one of the worst offensive P5 team we will face all year.
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Facts. Kentucky was one of the worst defensive P5 teams we faced all year.

Both of these are objectively false. You can look at Kenpom (or any other analytical site you want), but Kentucky is the 28th best defense in the country and Tennessee is the 31st best offense on Kenpom. We have faced a number of P5 teams that are worse on either side this year. Also, if you look at the entire game Kentucky didn't play much worse than their average on the season on defense. I think we all just remember the second half more when Kentucky had effectively quit due to our defensive pressure.

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Yeah the ball movement with JJ sure looked fine in KC.

Guys have stepped up for sure but that's just being ignored.

Also ignored is the lack of scoring to start the last game like people weren't losing their minds about how 'pathetic' the team was.
Are people just not sad enough for you or something? You and the other posters carrying the torch for the doomsday club seem to be really annoyed by optimism.

Everyone knows that losing Jefferson was a big deal. Some of us just refuse to play sad Charlie Brown music round the clock like y'all seem to want us to.
 
Die4Cy said:
Facts. Kentucky was one of the worst defensive P5 teams we faced all year.

Both of these are objectively false. You can look at Kenpom (or any other analytical site you want), but Kentucky is the 28th best defense in the country and Tennessee is the 31st best offense on Kenpom. We have faced a number of P5 teams that are worse on either side this year. Also, if you look at the entire game Kentucky didn't play much worse than their average on the season on defense. I think we all just remember the second half more when Kentucky had effectively quit due to our defensive pressure.

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Tennessee averages 0.95 points per possession, which is the same as Arizona State. For comparison, Iowa State averages 1.03 points per possession. That's a pretty large difference
 
How long ago was that? PT keeps evolving....
I had a grade 2 ankle sprain in September and had PT. my PT said the Rest part was outdated for sprains and I should move it as much as I could tolerate, with just simple foot circles and going to calf raises as soon as I could bear weight/pain. still had to ice quite a bit and rest between the exercises/sessions, but staying off of it for days/weeks was going to prolong the recovery or something like that.
 
Tennessee averages 0.95 points per possession, which is the same as Arizona State. For comparison, Iowa State averages 1.03 points per possession. That's a pretty large difference
I'm not great at math but that's somewhere between a .01 and 100 point difference.
 
Tennessee averages 0.95 points per possession, which is the same as Arizona State. For comparison, Iowa State averages 1.03 points per possession. That's a pretty large difference
ASU is 77th in kpom ORtg; Tennessee is 31st.

From an analytics perspective, they are most like St Johns from the teams we played this year. SJU is slightly worse offensively and slightly better defensively. Although they definitely go about it different ways.
 
Why did TJ play JJ more instead of Heise is he stupid?
I’ve argued that we should have sat him a couple times this year if we’re being honest.

TJ is tough, but also a players coach somehow.

There were several things JJ was doing that was hurting ISU and his draft status.

He’s a great passer…in the post.
He’s a capable closer…when focused.

He’s a poor ball handler outside of open court.
Dribbling in/ backing down allows D’s to collapse and it’s where 90% of his team leading 5 to’s a game happen.
When he gets low that way and the d collapses he turns it over or throws up highly contested hand grenades.
It stagnates the O and clogs up the lane. Without Toure, TL, or an unaggressive Hy-Zeee shooting the 3 well, teams collapse on JJ, cover MM, and sag off the rest knowing Buchanan isn’t a threat outside of 5 ft.

Hy-Zeeee takes bigger guys out to the 3 line, makes them respect his shot and then blows by them or leaves room for a cutter.
Hy-Zee also moves the ball faster up top with his dribble / weave. Where speeding JJ up just adds to’s.


I think maybe TJ was hoping to showcase JJ ability to handle the ball…but imho it backfired.

I’ll assume that part of it is draft results do matter in showing kids development for recruiting knowing we can’t overpay them like other programs might. So making JJ a mid 1st rounder matters…you can’t sit him if that’s your goal.
 
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