Jay Williams on ISU
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On the other hand, one could argue the regular season is more a battle of attrition of fairly meaningless games and home court advantage, than it is which team at their best, is the best.
Imo both take a significant backseat to NCAA tournament success. I’d trade either for a single extra win in the tournament. The best part of the regular season title is what it correlates to in terms of seeding imo, but in itself it’s not really better. Would you rather be 2012 Washington or 2012 Colorado?
No doubt, it's all about NCAA tournament for me.
But between reg season champs and conf tourney champs There's no comparison. I just disagree with the argument that the auto bid makes the conference tourney a bigger deal than the regular season championship, mainly because its so rare for the winner of a P6 conference tourney winner to need the auto bid.
In other sports teams have to have a good regular season to have the opportunity to get hot in the playoffs. In the case of a bball conference tournament everybody gets in. While rare, a team can be crap all season, get hot over 4-5 days and win it.
I’d value an Elite Eight over a conference championship and a Sweet Sixteen over a tournament title. In short, March Madness is what matters.
Have any really bad teams won the Big 12 tourney? Can’t reach a computer from my spot on the couch...
I think the lowest seed to win is a four. ISU has done this twice.
I have some vague memories as a kid of a Nebraska team winning the Big 8 tourney that needed the auto bid. I also think Iowa got an autobid when they were probably not in the tourney when they had Reggie Evans.
Good points all around.
I think I'd take a deep NCAA tourney run over any kind of conference title.
The Pratt/Cato group is still known for being *this* close to an elite eight and they didn't win either that season. As a matter of fact they got destroyed by KU in the inaugural Big 12 tourney...I hardly remember that.
Confirmed.
Edit/addition: Lowest seeds to finish runner-up, with year and champion:
10 Missouri 1997, (1) Kansas
9 Baylor 2009, (3) Missouri
7 Baylor 2014, (4) Iowa State
(All other runners-up were 5 seed or better).
February is our month. I think in 2017 we went 6-1. If we beat WVU tomorrow, go 6-1 in feb, and 2-1 in March, that's 13-5, I'd think that would damn near win us a conference title, or share one...unless Kansas pulls some voodoo and rattles off 11 straight wins. Which I'm not sure is possible. With the verdict of that Miami player, I'm assuming De Sousa won't be elligible this year. However, since when has the NCAA ever been consistent?
I can't speak for other basketball conferences, but that has literally never happened in the Big 12. The lowest seed to win the tournament was the 4 seed two years ago.... which was Iowa State
The only team that comes to mind is UCONN a few years ago. They got hot in their conference tournament and carried that all the way to a national championship.
In 1978 7th seeded Nebraska upset ISU in the first round of the Big 8 Tournament and went on to win it. In 1993 7th seeded Missouri won it all as well. Keep in mind these were the second worst teams in the conference. There were also 3 four seeds that won the Big 8 tournament as well between 1977 and 1997.
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So ISU has never lost a championship game, cool.
Crazy it has been 14 years since any team from the south has won the conference tournament
I said it around the first two games of the conference when ISU was 2-0... I think the winner(s) of the B12 this year is 13-5. I also think I said that I don't think Kansas will be 13-5 at the end.
The conference tournament is really all that matters for Missouri Valley Conference teams. UNI can win 3 or 4 games and be the only conference team in the NCAA tournament.
