ISU unranked in AP poll

Murph and Andy discussed this yesterday and without seemingly realizing it, they made all the arguments for why the poll is so bad

Early in the show when discussing it, Murph says to just look at the teams ahead of ISU: LSU, Georgia, Penn State
Lol I love that he included Penn State since they are the current poster child for a team that "should be good" but have no good wins

Later in show Andy says there isn't an ISU win that you can point to and say "see that's how good they are"
- Ok so then that blows up Keith's earlier point lol

Then Murph says "look at the teams ranked ahead of ISU and say which you're confident ISU would beat on a neutral field"
- So we're back to just using NIL budgets, historical prestige, recruiting rankings, and NFL draft picks to decide how good teams are?

I get these rankings are hard and they largely work themselves out over the course of a season, but right now, it's easy to point to Penn State and Texas to be dropped outside the top 15
Then if we want to start questioning how good of wins a team has, let's look into LSU. Those Florida and Clemson wins aren't looking so hot anymore
No, not really. SEC and big 10 teams are racking up wins over ranked teams who have no business being ranked. It makes their resumes look so much better than they actually are and that damage remains throughout the season.
 
Murph and Andy discussed this yesterday and without seemingly realizing it, they made all the arguments for why the poll is so bad

Early in the show when discussing it, Murph says to just look at the teams ahead of ISU: LSU, Georgia, Penn State
Lol I love that he included Penn State since they are the current poster child for a team that "should be good" but have no good wins

Later in show Andy says there isn't an ISU win that you can point to and say "see that's how good they are"
- Ok so then that blows up Keith's earlier point lol

Then Murph says "look at the teams ranked ahead of ISU and say which you're confident ISU would beat on a neutral field"
- So we're back to just using NIL budgets, historical prestige, recruiting rankings, and NFL draft picks to decide how good teams are?

I get these rankings are hard and they largely work themselves out over the course of a season, but right now, it's easy to point to Penn State and Texas to be dropped outside the top 15
Then if we want to start questioning how good of wins a team has, let's look into LSU. Those Florida and Clemson wins aren't looking so hot anymore

ISU has a better record vs top 10 and top 25 than Penn State over a loooooong period of time.

I'm guessing we have more "bad" losses in that stretch but you simply cannot say Penn State is better in big games with the current coaches. Maybe they're better at keeping it close, they sure as **** aren't better at winning a big game.
 
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Tex and PSU out. As they should be.

It's crazy those two are getting any votes. Would we be getting any votes with 2 losses and no Power 4 wins? Of course not. Hell, our own fans talk about how we don't have any good wins and we've beaten 3 power 4 teams.
 
No, not really. SEC and big 10 teams are racking up wins over ranked teams who have no business being ranked. It makes their resumes look so much better than they actually are and that damage remains throughout the season.
With the AP rankings being the joke that they are, but still important in playoff selection, why do we even need conference guaranteed slots?

This is what the B1G and SEC want, but they get it anyway with a rigged AP ranking system. Indiana moves way up with a win over way overrated Illinois. They get more credit for beating Iowa than we do. ISU drops during a bye week and stays the same after a dominant win over AZ.

Basically the AP is just musical chairs, moving B1G and SEC teams in and out of the top slots depending on who beats who in conference week to week. The assumption always being that those 2 conferences are much, much better than the XII or ACC. That's highly debatable this year.
 
With the AP rankings being the joke that they are, but still important in playoff selection, why do we even need conference guaranteed slots?

This is what the B1G and SEC want, but they get it anyway with a rigged AP ranking system. Indiana moves way up with a win over way overrated Illinois. They get more credit for beating Iowa than we do. ISU drops during a bye week and stays the same after a dominant win over AZ.

Basically the AP is just musical chairs, moving B1G and SEC teams in and out of the top slots depending on who beats who in conference week to week. The assumption always being that those 2 conferences are much, much better than the XII or ACC. That's highly debatable this year.
Just make the playoffs 16. Get rid of the byes. Top 3 in each P4, top 1 G5, 3 at-large. Then a BCS style system to fill those 4 G5/at-large spots and the seeding. Take as much human bias out of it as possible.
 
Just make the playoffs 16. Get rid of the byes. Top 3 in each P4, top 1 G5, 3 at-large. Then a BCS style system to fill those 4 G5/at-large spots and the seeding. Take as much human bias out of it as possible.
Never happen the B10 and SEC are not going to sign off for anything less than 4 spots guaranteed each year. If they thought they could pull it off it would be 4,4,1,1 for the P4 teams and then leave the other spots for ND, G5 and at large spots.
 
With the AP rankings being the joke that they are, but still important in playoff selection, why do we even need conference guaranteed slots?

This is what the B1G and SEC want, but they get it anyway with a rigged AP ranking system. Indiana moves way up with a win over way overrated Illinois. They get more credit for beating Iowa than we do. ISU drops during a bye week and stays the same after a dominant win over AZ.

Basically the AP is just musical chairs, moving B1G and SEC teams in and out of the top slots depending on who beats who in conference week to week. The assumption always being that those 2 conferences are much, much better than the XII or ACC. That's highly debatable this year.

Yea, it is so basically rigged now that we might as well accept the 16 team playoff with 4 SEC, 4 B1G, 2 Big 12, 2 ACC, 1 G5 and 3 at large. At least the loser of the CCG might also get in.

As long as the SEC follows though with 9 conference games and all conferences agree to 10 P4 games, just as ISU has been playing since 2011.
 
This may have been posted elsewhere, but when was the last time that at team's fans rushed the field after a win over the Cyclones? Despite the loss I found some peculiar peace in witnessing that.
Totally agree. Also when is the last time a loss to UCLA or Florida would knock top 10 teams out of the top 25
 
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