ISU Commit Rohach Gets Huge Honor/Opportunity
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Like I said, it would great for him if he does get another *. We wish him the best obviously, right now he is one of ours. However, how many "potential" 4* QB's are sitting with 2 offers right now? I know interests is peaking but the offers still have to hit the table. It will still go back to size, committed team, offers, etc. SR was the best HS QB in Florida last year but could still only get 3*. The star rating has very little to do with his ability to play.
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Colt McCoy 2*
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This was after he was offered and comitted to Texas. McCoy was a 2* and unranked his senior year at Jim Ned HS. When he committed to Texas, Orangebloods.com (Texas' rivals website) increased his star rating to 3* and moved him into their rankings. This improved his overall rivals ranking.
Individual Rivals sites can't increase a player's star ratings, it's done by the national guys. That being said, certain site owners have more pull and are respected enough to make recommendations.
Colt McCoy was looked at as a top QB in the state before he committed. I have no proof but I highly doubt he was a two star and Orange Bloods didn't single handedly raise his ranking. If that were the case, everyone would have 100% 5 star recruits.
- You obviously don't know how Lone Star Recruiting is connected to Orangebloods.com. These two sites do whatever they want. If LSR rates a player higher than rivals.com....for example Colt was rated 5.6 by rivals.com but LSR rated him 5.7, the additional rating increased him to a 3*. You will also see that Colt was the lowest rated recruit for UT that year. LSR ranked hime at #52. All of this came after his commit to Texas.
Thanks for making my point. The star ratings mean very little in the big scheme of things.
Here's a example of how LSR affects the rivals.com star ratings. This hits right here in Cyclone Country.
Quan West, 2012 commit to ISU, 6-5 200lbs, one of the top receivers in the state of Texas. His debut ranking on 8/27/10 was #71. He had a great season, moved up to #56 by 3/30/11. He has the size, speed, talent, and ability to be a 4* recruit. Committed to ISU on 5/16/11 and his LSR ranking fell to #77. You tell me what the kid did between March and May to drop 19 places. Nothing.....except commit to ISU. The same thing happened to Jared Barnett. He was ranked in the LSR Top #100. He committed to ISU and dropped out of the rankings.
I say that to say this, Colt's * rating meant nothing in the big scheme of things. It did increase after he comitted to Texas. BTW, he was one of the last offers and commits for his class. For the naysayers, I have talked to Colt, listened to his dad speak about him at FCA sponsored events, and been in clinics where Mack Brown has discussed Colt's recruitment to Texas.
As for Grant, I would love to see him get another star from competing in the Elite 11. It helps him in recruiting options and we should want what's best for the kid. However, in the big scheme of things as far as ISU football is concerned,it won't mean a hill of beans.
Quan West, 2012 commit to ISU, 6-5 200lbs, one of the top receivers in the state of Texas. His debut ranking on 8/27/10 was #71. He had a great season, moved up to #56 by 3/30/11. He has the size, speed, talent, and ability to be a 4* recruit. Committed to ISU on 5/16/11 and his LSR ranking fell to #77. You tell me what the kid did between March and May to drop 19 places. Nothing.....except commit to ISU. The same thing happened to Jared Barnett. He was ranked in the LSR Top #100. He committed to ISU and dropped out of the rankings.
I say that to say this, Colt's * rating meant nothing in the big scheme of things. It did increase after he comitted to Texas. BTW, he was one of the last offers and commits for his class. For the naysayers, I have talked to Colt, listened to his dad speak about him at FCA sponsored events, and been in clinics where Mack Brown has discussed Colt's recruitment to Texas.
As for Grant, I would love to see him get another star from competing in the Elite 11. It helps him in recruiting options and we should want what's best for the kid. However, in the big scheme of things as far as ISU football is concerned,it won't mean a hill of beans.
I can see how *s mean more than we like to think when it comes to assessing a team's potential and earning preseason votes.
Hopefully this will help in the recruitment of wide receiver Amara Darboh. Having a stud QB can't hurt.
I agree with your point but we (ISU) would need more than one or two 4* recruits to change the mind of the media and how they rank us. Winning football games is the best way to change the image. It's like, "which comes first, the chicken or the egg." In some people's mind, we need higher rated players to win but we need to win to get higher rated players. I can tell you that TCU has gotten, the same rated players ISU gets...well, in the past several years. They are now ranking in the top 20. But they won with 3* recruits. It wasn't the Big 12 but Patterson puts some very good teams on the field that could have competed and beat a lot of major conference teams.
I think you are right - in order of importance:
1) Coaching
2) Schedule - schedule enough opportunities to win
3) Players - good coaching and wins gets better players
1) Coaching - I believe we have good coaching.
2) Schedule - No way! It's not going to get better with the Big 12 setup
3) Players - Good but not great. However, good enough to win 6-8 games per year. CPR has to get every ounce of skill out of these guys. One thing he can't coach is heart. They better have it!
When I referred to Schedule I was thinking of the 3 non-conf games. ISU will always have Iowa on the schedule so the other 2 games need to be easier games - not like at UCONN this year and at Tulsa in '13 and at Toledo '15. We need two home games every year and three in years we play Iowa at home. While at Tulsa and at Toledo may not seem like mountains it would be good if we could get home only games rather than home & away for schools in this category (draw less than 20k for home games).
Yes and no. I get your point; you can't do much to create what isn't there. However, a coach can do his darndest to make the whole greater than the sum of the parts in each area, including this one. A coach can also do things that take the life out of players and a team that otherwise would be considered to have heart.
I agree with what you are stating - Walden used to drive me nuts every time he would say "hey if these guys can't get excited about playing in the Big 8 there's nothing I can do about it". Part of coaching is motivation!
Motivation and Heart are two different things. In my field, we call "Motivation" the temporary emotional fuel. It helps to get you through a tough situation at a certain moment. Like CPR yelling "let's get this 4th and 1" to win the game. Or, in the locker room, CPR gives Knute's "Let's win one for the Gipper" speech. That's motivation. It will not sustain you for an entire game if there is no "Heart".
"Heart" is the internal inspiration. It's passion for the game. It never ends. Heart keeps you going all of the time because you have passion for what you are doing. You either have it or you don't. Now, sometimes you need "motivation" but, usually not about things that you are passionate about. It can't be coached. Either you have it or you don't.
