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They need to remove an 11-man classification with so many schools now in 8-man. That would address a significant amount of the travel issues.

Another solution would be forced school consolidations and/or program sharing to reduce the number of 8-man and A programs facing participation issues
I agree the state needs to eliminate one 11 man class, roll 1A and A into one group and then add a A and B classes in 8 man based on size. We currently have schools in 8 man with 50 kids out playing schools with 15 out for the sport.

Not sure the state can force schools to consolidate or share programs unless the state is going to start providing money to do so, which they are not, because most of that money is being used to send money to private schools.
 

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I agree the state needs to eliminate one 11 man class, roll 1A and A into one group and then add a A and B classes in 8 man based on size. We currently have schools in 8 man with 50 kids out playing schools with 15 out for the sport.

Not sure the state can force schools to consolidate or share programs unless the state is going to start providing money to do so, which they are not, because most of that money is being used to send money to private schools.
That would be one extremely big class with A and 1A together. They are already the 2 largest classes.
 

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That would be one extremely big class with A and 1A together. They are already the 2 largest classes.
True, but I would guess at least some will drop down to 8 man if it has been split into two classes. We currently have schools that could and should be playing 11 man dropping down to 8 man because it gives them a better chance to get wins. Merging 1A and A and then opening up another class of 8 man, big and small schools will even that out. Increase the 8 man cutoff from 105 up to 130 or so, or cut 8 man down to 75.
 

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True, but I would guess at least some will drop down to 8 man if it has been split into two classes. We currently have schools that could and should be playing 11 man dropping down to 8 man because it gives them a better chance to get wins. Merging 1A and A and then opening up another class of 8 man, big and small schools will even that out. Increase the 8 man cutoff from 105 up to 130 or so, or cut 8 man down to 75.
Okay, I see that now and makes more sense by raising the cut number. It was 120 before the free and reduced lunch numbers. Then they dropped it when they implemented that. Just leave the 120 there and see what happens.

After next year, you can go to one class. Youngest will be a senior so it won’t affect me unless grandkids come along.
 

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Okay, I see that now and makes more sense by raising the cut number. It was 120 before the free and reduced lunch numbers. Then they dropped it when they implemented that. Just leave the 120 there and see what happens.

After next year, you can go to one class. Youngest will be a senior so it won’t affect me unless grandkids come along.
We have friends who's grandson plays for Wayne of Corydon, they are dropping down to 8 man from 11 man. They made the playoffs this past season and return almost everyone from that roster. Now instead of play Madrid, they will be competing in 8 man playing Seymour and Morman Trail, schools that will struggle to field a team. Leon hoped to move down this cycle, but didn't, they are already moving their MS team to 8 man, thinking they will drop in 2 years. This is wrong, and hampers the small school that just wants to field a team, you literally have teams with 50 players going up against teams with 15 to 18 just so they can win more games, and the sorry part is the state does not care.
 
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We have friends who's grandson plays for Wayne of Corydon, they are dropping down to 8 man from 11 man. They made the playoffs this past season and return almost everyone from that roster. Now instead of play Madrid, they will be competing in 8 man playing Seymour and Morman Trail, schools that will struggle to field a team. Leon hoped to move down this cycle, but didn't, they are already moving their MS team to 8 man, thinking they will drop in 2 years. This is wrong, and hampers the small school that just wants to field a team, you literally have teams with 50 players going up against teams with 15 to 18 just so they can win more games, and the sorry part is the state does not care.
Yeah, I definitely understand the numbers situation. I always thought that if you had the numbers you would want to play 11, but after seeing Garrigan stay at 8 because they win (what a garrigan person told me) I now see my thought was wrong.

Kids school is fortunate that while they were eligible for 8 man per last years beds, they had good numbers still for 11. I think this year they are just above the cut point.
 
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I have 2 grandsons. As a freshman one plays 8 man FB in a high school with 60 boys. The other plays 8th grade BB in a Metro school system that has 600 boys in his 8th grade class. Two different worlds. My only comment to add to this thread is that allowing 8th graders to compete against Seniors in FB is ridiculous and is potentially a lawsuit against the State when someone gets seriously hurt or worse.
 
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I have 2 grandsons. As a freshman one plays 8 man FB in a high school with 60 boys. The other plays 8th grade BB in a Metro school system that has 600 boys in his 8th grade class. Two different worlds. My only comment to add to this thread is that allowing 8th graders to compete against Seniors in FB is ridiculous and is potentially a lawsuit against the State when someone gets seriously hurt or worse.
8th graders should not be competing verses Jr/Sr in high school in any sport other than track and baseball.
 

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Yeah, I definitely understand the numbers situation. I always thought that if you had the numbers you would want to play 11, but after seeing Garrigan stay at 8 because they win (what a garrigan person told me) I now see my thought was wrong.

Kids school is fortunate that while they were eligible for 8 man per last years beds, they had good numbers still for 11. I think this year they are just above the cut point.
How many boys do you need to play 11 man football? How many for 8 man?
If Iowa football is going to work with some schools to allow them to play down a class, like a couple Des Moines schools. But then say you win to much so we are going to make you play up a class?
Are you going to get into what age boys can lift weights? And weight gain products.
When I was a freshman at Garrigan we played both freshman teams from Fort Dodge Public. They were bigger then Garrigan Varsity, we got our sh$t kicked.
Ya it is not fun to lose more then you win, I was in on that.
 

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True, but I would guess at least some will drop down to 8 man if it has been split into two classes. We currently have schools that could and should be playing 11 man dropping down to 8 man because it gives them a better chance to get wins. Merging 1A and A and then opening up another class of 8 man, big and small schools will even that out. Increase the 8 man cutoff from 105 up to 130 or so, or cut 8 man down to 75.

Why not merge 2A with 3A? Why merge A with 1A?
 

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How many boys do you need to play 11 man football? How many for 8 man?
If Iowa football is going to work with some schools to allow them to play down a class, like a couple Des Moines schools. But then say you win to much so we are going to make you play up a class?
Are you going to get into what age boys can lift weights? And weight gain products.
When I was a freshman at Garrigan we played both freshman teams from Fort Dodge Public. They were bigger then Garrigan Varsity, we got our sh$t kicked.
Ya it is not fun to lose more then you win, I was in on that.
Having more kids on the sidelines than the A championship game teams seems just wrong though. If you can field 40-50 kids, you aren’t in need of playing 8 man, which is the reason 8 was made, for schools who couldn’t come up with enough kids to play 11.
 

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Why not merge 2A with 3A? Why merge A with 1A?
I can only answer with what happened to Davis Co when they bumped up from 2A to 3A when our youngest son was playing. The overall talent level difference was enormous, DC had been an Ok 2A team but they were completely outclassed in 3A, it was not just Keokuk that won the championship that season, every team we played not only had more kids, but more of everything. I came away thinking the gap between 2A and 3A is huge, much like the difference between most 3A and 4A schools. That gap is smaller between A and 1A, from what I have seen both coaching and observing.
 
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Roland-Story really got stuck on an island.
It's funny that Hampton-Dumont will be Roland-Story's shortest trip. Back in 2006-07 when they were in the same district Hampton-Dumont was Roland-Story's 2nd longest trip after Hudson.
 

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Having more kids on the sidelines than the A championship game teams seems just wrong though. If you can field 40-50 kids, you aren’t in need of playing 8 man, which is the reason 8 was made, for schools who couldn’t come up with enough kids to play 11.
When I was in 7th grade, every boy in my class went out for football. We played 11 man with 13 kids
 

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Not exactly sure.
When I was in 7th grade, every boy in my class went out for football. We played 11 man with 13 kids
When I was junior high, we were the same way. Combined 7/8 and we had 2-3 on the sidelines. My class had 6 boys and the one above have 7-8.
 

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Yeah, I definitely understand the numbers situation. I always thought that if you had the numbers you would want to play 11, but after seeing Garrigan stay at 8 because they win (what a garrigan person told me) I now see my thought was wrong.

Kids school is fortunate that while they were eligible for 8 man per last years beds, they had good numbers still for 11. I think this year they are just above the cut point.
It doesn't matter what class they have been with Wadle as the coach...they've went to Cedar Falls in 1A, A, and 8. I can't remember back far enough to remember the class they were but it's possible they went as a 2A school as well.
 

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I know Granger has a lot of growth but surprised to see them at 2A.
There is a big jump in enrollment. Classes right now in High school, are around 65+/-, a few years ago it was around 50.

The biggest class is 6th right now, and is right about 100 +/-. With all the classes behind that being right near that number. That is almost double the class sizes up and coming, with no sign of the growth slowing down.

WG will most likely jump to 3A in the next few years. By my calculations when the 6th grade class gets to 11th grade they will be in the upper half of 3A.

WG is in the process of building a new Middle school now, and converting the current High school/Middle school building to all High school. With future plans to convert and expand the new Middle school to a high school.

The new elementary, that was built about 10 years ago is at or nearing capacity now too.

Granger is growing pretty fast, and will only continue to accelerate.