The other 125 teams kick around 90% from 45+. Iowa state kickers bring that average down.
Hitting kicks into the goal posts.....
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The other 125 teams kick around 90% from 45+. Iowa state kickers bring that average down.
I don't like to miss these but I am not at all ready to give up on Cole. Both of the misses he hit the ball well and he also had plenty of distance. This is compared to Edwin's kicks and when he misses, he misses by a mile. Lastly, I am not a kicker but both of those were very close to being blocked from the right side and he pulled them left. I am not sure if it had anything to do with it but that is the first thing I thought. He will be fine.
It's not a matter of "if" you want to add the 7 yards. The kicker will not kick it from where it is snapped. You HAVE to add the 7 yards!
If you are telling us that data indicates that roughly 30% of kicks are made if the ball is snapped from the 35 yard line and beyond, those would be 52 yard field goals or longer. 50% would apply to kicks from 44 to 51 yards long. We were 0-2 last night from 44 to 51 yards long.
Given our recent success in the kicking game and that data pointed out by besserheimerphat that kicks beyond 44 yards are 50/50 at best, then maybe we should consider always going for it or winning the field position, especially early in games when 3 points isn't yet critical.
I was Encouraged by Netton's Kicks
Bottom line is a kickers job is to make 75% of the kicks a coach sends them out there for. Netton was 1 of 3 last night, which is unacceptable. The kicks were long, but Netton had more than enough leg to make them. So distance is a bad excuse.
That said. I was impressed by Netton's kicks. The kicks were driven well, the rotation was strong and straight. I think as he gains experience and confidence- we will have a solid place kicker.
I was more disappointed with our offense for having to settle for FG's on 2 of the first 3 drives into the red zone.
Bottom line is a kickers job is to make 75% of the kicks a coach sends them out there for. Netton was 1 of 3 last night, which is unacceptable. The kicks were long, but Netton had more than enough leg to make them. So distance is a bad excuse.
That said. I was impressed by Netton's kicks. The kicks were driven well, the rotation was strong and straight. I think as he gains experience and confidence- we will have a solid place kicker.
I was more disappointed with our offense for having to settle for FG's on 2 of the first 3 drives into the red zone.
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Ball would typically be snapped at the 28 for a 45 yard FG. Add 10 yards for the end zone, and usually about 7 more for the length where the holder sets up.
Thats because he was aiming for it, meaning he was on target. Netten's ball movement was consistent, slight right to left draw, so his initial target point was slightly off. He should be aiming just inside the right goalpost every kick. I am sure he knows this..
Frankly, I think we attempt long field goals more than we should. When we are looking at a 4th and 5 or better with a 45+ yard field goal attempt, I'd prefer to see us go for it. I laughed out loud when we setup for a long field goal from the hash just a couple minutes after missing almost the exact same kick. The fact that it missed left by hitting the upright was just the cherry on top. We seem to be very slow learners when it comes to this.
That's a good one Dual. Last year FBS teams were 57% form 40-49 yards and 50% from 50+. Iowa State actually brought those averages up last year.
Cyclonepride
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Plenty of distance, just pulled left. Perhaps kicking harder makes it pull? Either way, they weren't bad misses. Need to get them inside 40 if we want to consistently make them.
Actually a ball snapped from the 35 yard line would officially be a 52 yard field goal. Your point still stands though, those were excusable misses last night.
Re: I was Encouraged by Netton's Kicks
Technically, Netten made 6 of 8 kicks he was sent out there for last night. So he's right at 75%.
Technically, Netten made 6 of 8 kicks he was sent out there for last night. So he's right at 75%.
Re: I was Encouraged by Netton's Kicks
Bottom line he missed two field goals. Could have cost us the game. Remember when the other kicker was pulled for missing two attempts ten yards further out.
Bottom line he missed two field goals. Could have cost us the game. Remember when the other kicker was pulled for missing two attempts ten yards further out.
Re: I was Encouraged by Netton's Kicks
No, it's the kicker's job to make 100% of the kicks he is sent in for. It is the coaches job to call for a FG when the likelihood of making it is higher than the likelihood of converting the 4th down. For most teams, that probably means going for it more often on 4th and 3 or less especially when you're past mid-field.
No, it's the kicker's job to make 100% of the kicks he is sent in for. It is the coaches job to call for a FG when the likelihood of making it is higher than the likelihood of converting the 4th down. For most teams, that probably means going for it more often on 4th and 3 or less especially when you're past mid-field.
Re: I was Encouraged by Netton's Kicks
No athlete is perfect. Brady throws incompletions, Jordan missed open jumpers and even Greg Maddux missed the strike zone. If a kicker is asked to kick everything from 20-50 yards- then 75% is a good average. Obviosly a good coach is going to play the odds of his FG kicker being successful and his offense making it on 4th down.
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You're a moron. Does the QB make 100% of his passes? Do the receivers catch 100% of the balls? If the coach wasn't confident in the kicker he wouldn't send them out for a kick. The kicker is out there to bail out the offense for not scoring a TD.
and just an FYI, ISU lines up 8 yards back from the LOS.
You're a moron. Does the QB make 100% of his passes? Do the receivers catch 100% of the balls? If the coach wasn't confident in the kicker he wouldn't send them out for a kick. The kicker is out there to bail out the offense for not scoring a TD.
and just an FYI, ISU lines up 8 yards back from the LOS.
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You both totally missed the entire point of my post. Obviously I don't expect a kicker to make every kick. Why do you think took the trouble to run a regression on FG% vs. Distance to Endzone? I don't expect anyone to do anything 100% of the time. But they should go out with the intent to perform 100% of the time.
And God damn guys, I said in my initial post that I didn't include the distance between the LOS and the tee because I don't know if everyone does it the same. In this thread alone people have said that I should add 7 yards or 8 yards. So gave you the LOS and you can add whatever you want.
You both totally missed the entire point of my post. Obviously I don't expect a kicker to make every kick. Why do you think took the trouble to run a regression on FG% vs. Distance to Endzone? I don't expect anyone to do anything 100% of the time. But they should go out with the intent to perform 100% of the time.
And God damn guys, I said in my initial post that I didn't include the distance between the LOS and the tee because I don't know if everyone does it the same. In this thread alone people have said that I should add 7 yards or 8 yards. So gave you the LOS and you can add whatever you want.
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Re: I was Encouraged by Netton's Kicks
great post newb and did you hold your pinky finger out when typing that.... Glad to see the context of a conversation missed your pinky as it went flying by. Try adding something to a conversation in stead of your ego.
great post newb and did you hold your pinky finger out when typing that.... Glad to see the context of a conversation missed your pinky as it went flying by. Try adding something to a conversation in stead of your ego.
