Herman Gone? Some possible replacements

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a name I haven't heard at all is Ken Pope...just wondering why nobody is saying anything at him?

He's a pretty good recruiter and has been around the game for awhile...recruited LT and was assistant head coach at A&M a few years ago..
Only downside is he's never been an OC before..
 
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FWIW, the blog on ESPN says that Herman is also considered to be a candidate for the OC position as well. That being the case, it is understandable why he was willing to take the sure QB coach position while having a shot at the OC job in addition to his QB coaching job. Plus Herman is from the Cincinnati area, I believe.
 

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I would do it in a heartbeat. Iowa State is not even close to the same league as Ohio State. As a coach I would jump at the chance to coach at someplace like Ohio State, and with the added bonus of coaching with Urban Meyer who is considered a coaching genius. So yeah, I would do it.

It starting to look like TH was hired as a QB coach. He may yet go into the OC job but I don't think he was initially brought in to fill it. That would indicate one of two things. His contract was not renewed or your scenario fits his feelings.

I still think if he had a choice you don't make that move. You don't move backwards with no gaurantee of an OC position. You are an OC in the B12 the next move is either OC of a top program or HC.

Some people would say moving from OC to QB coach at tOSU is a lateral move. Then would the converse be true? Would moving from QB coach at tOSU to be OC at ISU be a lateral move?
 
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I would do it in a heartbeat. Iowa State is not even close to the same league as Ohio State. As a coach I would jump at the chance to coach at someplace like Ohio State, and with the added bonus of coaching with Urban Meyer who is considered a coaching genius. So yeah, I would do it.

Who is to say TH is actually going to make more money? My guess is the QB coach at OSU isn't making a ton more than the ISU OC.
 

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ISU football: Herman headed to Ohio State

By Bobby La Gesse
Sports Editor
Published: Friday, December 9, 2011 12:27 PM CST
It’s become official.

Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith confirmed to the Associated Press that Iowa State offensive coordinator Tom Herman is the program’s new quarterback coach.

Smith also told the AP that Herman will remain at ISU through the Pinstripe Bowl.


Herman’s spent the last three seasons as the Cyclone offensive coordinator. He was the Rice offensive coordinator before coming to ISU.


For more information, check out Saturday’s paper or amestrib.com.
 

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ISU football: Herman headed to Ohio State

By Bobby La Gesse
Sports Editor
Published: Friday, December 9, 2011 12:27 PM CST
It’s become official.

Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith confirmed to the Associated Press that Iowa State offensive coordinator Tom Herman is the program’s new quarterback coach.

Smith also told the AP that Herman will remain at ISU through the Pinstripe Bowl.


Herman’s spent the last three seasons as the Cyclone offensive coordinator. He was the Rice offensive coordinator before coming to ISU.


For more information, check out Saturday’s paper or amestrib.com.

I hate to say it but I agree with Rebecacy. This has Herman getting pushed out all over it and I'm not completely surprised. I think Rhoads gave Herman some freedom at the beginning of the year to prove his system could work at ISU, it didn't. With that Rhoads and co. decided that a pass all over spread isn't going to work at ISU. Our strength is our run game and running backs. I imagine it wasn't so much, TH you suck as it was your offense wasn't right for ISU and we need to look in a different direction. Go out and find a job and we will say you left on your own accord.

I think in the right place, TH will be a good OC. I thought his play calling was better than we had seen in a very long time here at ISU, the offense just didn't work as we were always missing the pieces needed.
 
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I hate to say it but I agree with Rebecacy. This has Herman getting pushed out all over it and I'm not completely surprised. I think Rhoads gave Herman some freedom at the beginning of the year to prove his system could work at ISU, it didn't. With that Rhoads and co. decided that a pass all over spread isn't going to work at ISU. Our strength is our run game and running backs. I imagine it wasn't so much, TH you suck as it was your offense wasn't right for ISU and we need to look in a different direction. Go out and find a job and we will say you left on your own accord.

I think in the right place, TH will be a good OC. I thought his play calling was better than we had seen in a very long time hear at ISU, the offense just didn't work as we were always missing the pieces needed.

Evidence would suggest it. I feel bad for TH because I think he's a good OC. He wants to sling it in an uptempo offense, maybe we don't have the pieces yet but for some reason it didn't work out here.

If it is true his contract wasn't renewed kudos to CPR to make a change. The safe thing would be to keep him because you have the system in place and recruits coming in to run it. I can see why he did it though. In the three years TH has been here it wasn't what you call explosive. In that 3 years you pretty much have an idea of what it's going to be like. So instead of renewing him for 3 more years he decides to make the change now.
 

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I don't think Herman was going to get plucked out of ISU to be an OC at a high-level program or to be a head coach. So maybe a couple of years under Urban Meyer will improve his situation, especially if they win some hardware.

The people who say it is a demotion are solely looking at titles but not a the job. Would it be a demotion if the OC at Idaho or Akron were to become our QB coach? Or would it help that coach move up the career ladder? I guess I see it as a step up.
 

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I hear this Coach Klein from the small school in Louisiana is possibly a late dark-horse in this game. Never know - could be someone like this totally off the radar.
 

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Our talent is at RB position right now, there is no doubt. However, there is no way we move away from a spread style offense. Rhoads and his staff have been recruiting O Linemen suited for a spread attack for the last three years. We are just now getting to see some of those guys and Chiziks' plows are moving on.
You need talented RBs in the spread offense as well, Iowa State just needs some difference makers at the WR position to take the next step. Albert Gary is a perfect example of the kind of WR we want in this offense.

I think this is a setback, but not a huge setback, we have young guys on offense and while next year will be a transition, it wont be a huge one. And in all honesty, this is a move Rhoads wanted to make.
Herman is a good guy, no discredit to anything he did here, but he wasn't always a player favorite either. Good luck to him and Ohio State, He landed well and will have some tremendous talent to work with.

As for those thinking of Steele, this probably isn't good for him. He had a short time period to learn Hermans offense, and now he will be scrapping that. At the same rate, So will Barnett, it may level the field for spring, but with only a year left it doesn't fare well. I like Steele, I really do.. I think he has much more potential than we will ever get to see, Barnett has shown a lot of promise, but I'm not sure he is our solution, The OK State game being the exception, Barnett has been mediocre and has put a lot of pressure on Wally's boys. He is just a freshmen though and I really hope to see him continue to progress and not hit the Jr. Year slump that is typical of ISU QBs.
 
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I hear this Coach Klein from the small school in Louisiana is possibly a late dark-horse in this game. Never know - could be someone like this totally off the radar.

Mr. Coach Klein is too busy preparing his South Central Louisiana State University Mud dogs for the Bourbon Bowl. He has no time to interview for other positions.
 

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I don't think Herman was going to get plucked out of ISU to be an OC at a high-level program or to be a head coach. So maybe a couple of years under Urban Meyer will improve his situation, especially if they win some hardware.

The people who say it is a demotion are solely looking at titles but not a the job. Would it be a demotion if the OC at Idaho or Akron were to become our QB coach? Or would it help that coach move up the career ladder? I guess I see it as a step up.

If it is a step up or lateral move to move from OC at ISU to a QB coach at tOSU then the converse would be true; moving from QB coach at tOSU to OC at ISU is a lateral move or a step down. If you reverse it, it just doesn't look the same.
 

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I don't think Herman was going to get plucked out of ISU to be an OC at a high-level program or to be a head coach. So maybe a couple of years under Urban Meyer will improve his situation, especially if they win some hardware.

The people who say it is a demotion are solely looking at titles but not a the job. Would it be a demotion if the OC at Idaho or Akron were to become our QB coach? Or would it help that coach move up the career ladder? I guess I see it as a step up.

First of all bad comparison: Non BCS AQ to AQ is a big jump. BCS AQ to BCS AQ, especially to a (currently) lesser conference is not the same thing.

Even so, Akron's OC (assuming he wasn't fired for performance - or, I guess, really, even if he was) moving to ISU QB coach is a step down. It is a demotion. I can't think of any other way to describe it but as a position of lower status and control.

That doesn't mean it is a bad move: it can potentially position you long term to move your career forward.

But a Vice President at a medium company who takes an Executive Internship at a mega-company is not making a lateral move. He's stepping down, hoping to move up again in better footing.

It doesn't make it a bad choice. Just a strange one unless it came with a carrot of maybe we'll even move you to co-offensive coordinator or something like that. If that's the case, it is a wise demotion to position a fast career launch.

But if it is just a QB job, it is a position coach. A position coach at an AQ school is less than being the key offensive strategist and playcaller at an AQ school.

It just is.
 

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First of all bad comparison: Non BCS AQ to AQ is a big jump. BCS AQ to BCS AQ, especially to a (currently) lesser conference is not the same thing.

Even so, Akron's OC (assuming he wasn't fired for performance - or, I guess, really, even if he was) moving to ISU QB coach is a step down. It is a demotion. I can't think of any other way to describe it but as a position of lower status and control.

That doesn't mean it is a bad move: it can potentially position you long term to move your career forward.

But a Vice President at a medium company who takes an Executive Internship at a mega-company is not making a lateral move. He's stepping down, hoping to move up again in better footing.

It doesn't make it a bad choice. Just a strange one unless it came with a carrot of maybe we'll even move you to co-offensive coordinator or something like that. If that's the case, it is a wise demotion to position a fast career launch.

But if it is just a QB job, it is a position coach. A position coach at an AQ school is less than being the key offensive strategist and playcaller at an AQ school.

It just is.

This. tOSU got a good guy, but I don't think it was a good move. Time will tell. Big 10 is weaker than Big 12. Maybe he's just trying to get some of Urban's magic to rub off on him.
 

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Who is to say TH is actually going to make more money? My guess is the QB coach at OSU isn't making a ton more than the ISU OC.

I posted yesterday that right now OSU QB coach made the same amount of money as TH as ISU's OC.
 

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