Gilbert tournament Saturday

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  1. SouthJerseyCy

    SouthJerseyCy Well-Known Member

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    OK - I'll concede that I may have had a small over-reaction. I traveled all day Saturday and settled in to watch my recording of the Mizzu meet only to be met with that large turd. I can see what you guys and Dresser are saying about the allocations, but it still stinks. I think it stinks for the fans and for the wrestlers who want to compete at high levels. Maybe it is more the system than the coaches, but something needs to change.
     
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  2. csteve

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    I think everyone can agree that something needs to change. That change needs to happen at the NCAA level and not the Head Coach level. I think that allocations are determined much better than in the past, but the current system is certainly flawed and should be reviewed. Wrestling needs to continue to promote excitement for regular season competition. The current allocation system causes late season disappointment for fans.
     
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  3. buf87

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    I believe also with Carr, you need to compete within 30 days to be in coaches rankings. So Dresser felt better having Carr wrestle an Iowa State guy than someone that doesn’t care cranking on his knee
     
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    Looks like Dress will be on FRL Tuesday...maybe?

    I'm no good at the embedded tweet thing...hopefully this works.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Going to have Coach Dresser (<a href="https://twitter.com/CYWrestle_KD?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CYWrestle_KD</a>) on FRL Tuesday to discuss his NCAA loophole Last Chance Open!<br><br>He won’t injury default 1 second into the interview either! </p>&mdash; Christian Pyles (@CPyles8) <a href="">February 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  6. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    I listened to the FRL with Nomad & Spey???.

    Basically understand there are issues.

    Some discussion about switching weights and the numbers of matches both Coleman and Colbray have during the season.

    Saying Big 12 coaches should love what Dresser did in getting the Big 12 an extra allocation vs the Smith debacle last year having the allocation given back.

    Also S Riveria must not be able to earn an allocation and won't have a seeding at Big 10's and how would you like to draw him in the 1st round.

    Suriano immediately defaulting out of Big 10's, also Nolf and Kemerer.

    All are different, but are used to "game the system" to get to the ultimate goal of getting to NCAA and best seed possible.
     
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  7. CyGold

    CyGold Active Member

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    I agree that it sucks to have to game the system.

    However, doesn't anybody remember back in the day when a top ranked wrestler might get sick or dinged up the day of the conference qualifier and then having no possible way to qualify? Wasn't there a #1 ranked kid from MN that ended up getting beat and having to stay home. I think he was a returning national champ (Schlatter?). I remember they changed to rules shortly thereafter. I definitely do not want to go back to the old rules.

    As for those bashing it's pretty hypocritical because I'd guess every program has had their wrestler MFF to a teammate at at some time in the past. I don't know the solution other than count matches at other weight classes... Maybe there's a downside to that and that's why the rule is the way it is.

    Plus...if other schools don't like it then they can send wrestlers to this tourney to try to beat our guys.
     
  8. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    One thing Dresser mention was that he did not expect Iowa State guys to beat both SDSU guys and the Minnesota guy and expected Sebastian to a match.

    Long won 4-3 and had been sick. That was Coleman's 3rd match.
    Battani won 6-1 against Minnesota and 7-3 vs SDSU.

    So it's not like it was stacked to give Coleman all Iowa State guys.

    And he could have told them to go out an wrestle but don't beat or hurt my starter.
     
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  9. crablegs

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    If a coach ever told me to lay down for a starter, I’d be finding a new team.
     
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    He said he left it up to the wrestlers.
     
  11. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    understand that I am not saying that Dresser said that.
     
  12. CyTwins

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    I'm confused why you're so upset about this
     
  13. clonedude

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    Because you should never lay down for anyone if you're a wrestler. You always wrestle to win.
     
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    CyTwins Well-Known Member

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    Who laid down?
     
  15. cyclonegrap

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    I agree with Dresser. Prior to Saturday, despite dealing with mono most of the season Coleman never missed a meet. Over half of his matches were against top 20 guys including the #1 at both 174 and 184. He is a returning national qualifier who was ranked all season. Despite all that, the NCAA still expected him to wrestle 5 more Division I matches the last weekend of the year to prove that he was deserving a qualifying spot. The system is broken for guys who switch weights or get hurt. It might work for the top ranked guys, but the guys in the teens and low 20s get punished for wrestling a good schedule. Spencer Lee does not even have a resume good enough to get an AQ for his conference.
     
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  16. stuclone

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    but the coach didn’t ask the kids to lay down for the starter..?
     
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  17. crablegs

    crablegs Well-Known Member

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    Then who made the call for Long and Battani?
     
  18. crablegs

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    Clearly they were given that direction though, no? You think that it was Battani’s idea?
     
  19. stuclone

    stuclone Well-Known Member

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    Long made the call for Long and Battani made the call for Battani. Did you watch any of the presser where Dresser explained it or are you just firing some uneducated opinions right now?
     
  20. crablegs

    crablegs Well-Known Member

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    No, I didn’t. I do plan on listening to FRL today though. What did he say? Why did they make that decision?
     

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