Friday Free Thread: Red or Blue Button?

Which Button?

  • Red Button

    Votes: 30 46.9%
  • Blue Button

    Votes: 34 53.1%

  • Total voters
    64

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This was a question that I saw going around the internet, and it's a modified trolley problem. Angie asked that I it as a Friday Free Thread since she's in a meeting this morning:

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button do you press?
 
I'd press blue. Everyone in the world needs to press the button, which includes infants, children, people that don't understand what the buttons do, etc. Some of them are going to be pressing blue, and I want to save them. Also, 50% +1 isn't that high of a threshold, and I'm optimistic about other people also choosing to press blue
 
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If people were really faced with one option for possible personal survival and one for definite personal survival, there's no question in my mind that the definite personal survival button would win a solid majority.
I’m still optimistic; I have faith in my fellow man. Especially because if it’s 50/50 in the United States which is very individualistic (and I think it’s more than that), what’s it going to be in cultures that are much more collective?

Yes, there are going to be people that take the guaranteed survival, but I could see some “reluctant heros” who want to press red but press blue because they think it’s the right thing to do.

I could also see people press blue because they don’t want to live in the apocalypse. If red wins, it’s going to be apocalyptic. I can see a lot of people saying that blue’s a coin flip between between their current life and death, and red is a guarantee of a terrible rest of their life before dying in a really unpleasant way, so they’re taking the coin flip and pressing blue.
 
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Given the current polarization of the political parties, you might want to use colors other than red and blue for the buttons.

Unless that is your point!
I just took it from the original question and I think that was just based on red and blue being the two standard team colors.
 
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If you press blue, you put your life in other people's hands. That's your prerogative.
It's in other peoples' hands either way. Red doesn't guarantee you survive. We're a damaged society, but I think there are more people with families that are going to try to maximize their votes to save them.


*edit - reading is hard. I think a guarantee of people's survival means red gets the majority of votes
 
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This is what Gemini says...

This is a classic variation of a game theory dilemma, similar to the Prisoner's Dilemma or a Coordination Game, but with much higher stakes.

To decide which button to press, you have to weigh individual survival against the collective outcome. Here is a breakdown of the logic:

1. The Rational Self-Interest Argument (Red)​

From a purely mathematical standpoint of self-preservation, Red is the "dominant strategy."

  • If the group succeeds: If more than 50% press Blue, everyone survives. This includes you, even if you pressed Red.
  • If the group fails: If less than 50% press Blue, only Red-pressers survive. If you pressed Blue, you die.
  • Conclusion: In both scenarios, pressing Red results in your survival, whereas pressing Blue only results in survival if other people carry the weight for you.

2. The Collective Logic Argument (Blue)​

The "Red" strategy only works if you assume you are the only one thinking that way. This is where the Stag Hunt or Social Contract logic comes in.

  • If everyone follows the "rational" self-interest and presses Red, the total Blue vote falls to 0%.
  • However, the prompt states: If less than 50% press Blue, only people who pressed Red survive. If 0% press Blue, that is "less than 50%," so all Red-pressers still survive.
  • The Twist: The only way to lose in this specific game is to be a "failed martyr"—someone who pressed Blue when the majority chose Red.

3. The Psychological Factor​

The outcome depends entirely on trust.

  • If you believe humanity is inherently cooperative, you press Blue to ensure the "everyone survives" condition is met.
  • If you believe others will be cynical or scared, you press Red to ensure your own life is protected regardless of the majority's failure.

The Verdict​

In this specific version of the riddle, Red is the only choice that guarantees survival. Because the rules state that Red-pressers survive even if the Blue threshold isn't met, there is no mechanical penalty for pressing Red. Unlike the traditional Prisoner's Dilemma—where if both "betray" each other, they both get a worse outcome—this scenario allows the Red-presser to win in every single outcome.
 
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It's in other peoples' hands either way. Red doesn't guarantee you survive. We're a damaged society, but I think there are more people with families that are going to try to maximize their votes to save them.

No way I press red.
Red absolutely means you survive the question. Literally nothing happens to you as a direct result of pressing Red.
 
Red absolutely means you survive the question. Literally nothing happens to you as a direct result of pressing Red.
well, all the nice trusting people are gone, so imagine what the leftover society would be like. sounds like the Mirror universe on Star Trek.
 
I don't trust complete strangers to have my best interests at heart.
Recent studies indeed show people trusting their neighbors is at an all-time low.

but my theory is that people that don't trust others, its because they themselves are untrustworthy. I think as a society, we are just pretty terrible people right now. needs to change.
 
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Game theory says you convince 100% of people to press the red button by appealing to their own personal survival, but by doing so, everyone survives anyway.
 
I mean, the fact is, you could rephrase this question as simply: press the red button and live, or press the blue button and die unless 50% choose to risk the blue button with you.

No one is making anyone pick the blue button. People who pick blue are playing russian roulette hoping enough will pick blue, when they didn't have to take that risk in the first place.
 
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I mean, the fact is, you could rephrase this question as simply: press the red button and live, or press the blue button and die unless 50% choose to risk the blue button with you.

No one is making anyone pick the blue button. People who pick blue are playing russian roulette hoping enough will pick blue, when they didn't have to take that risk in the first place.
But there are people who press blue through no fault of their own, and by choosing to press red, you’re choosing to make it more likely that they will die.

I still think it’s pretty much in everyone’s interest to press blue because for most people red winning is a death sentence
 
I still think it’s pretty much in everyone’s interest to press blue because for most people red winning is a death sentence

Why is red winning a death sentence to most people? If red wins, mathematically most people didn't pick blue.