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WI am not sure I can handle these posts about how bad of a recruiter/coach McDermott is when the basis for these comments are on two years of being at ISU. The program was "on the ropes" when he took over. Morgan appeared to have the program going down a path very few of us would want it to go.

These threads are like a bad accident. You can't help but look. :smile:

I'm sorry but these posts are like a bad accident. We don't know what path Morgan would have taken ISU on - as has been said a bazillion times, NOTHING CAME OF THE D1 SCHEDULING THING BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. We don't need to have random conspiracy theories to tear down the old coach.
 
Morgan recruited Brackins, as did McDermott at UNI, but Brackins was not coming to ISU because of Morgan, he came because he liked the place...he was unsigned and uncommited when Wayne was fired and Greg was hired...and he liked ISU, and knew of us thanks to Wayne...he also liked coach Mac, but wanted to play at a higher level than the Missouri Valley, so when Mac got hired here Brackins was one of the first players he went after...he is every bit a McDermott recruit...he just knows about ISU because of Wayne (who probably would've landed him too if he would've still been around).
Didn't Cyfan13 say on here that Brackins was a Morgan recruit that just decided to follow what he felt after the coaching change? Also, Prioleau is the one responsible for Wes, and the last two have yet to suit up.

I still don't think you can make the claim that he's a quality recruiter with the number of big man targets we've absolutely whiffed on with it being such a need.

I still think Diante is a quality player, and I like the guys that he brought in, and he did have a hand in it, but his recruiting hasn't been anything special, especially if Brackins, as according to cyfan13, was coming here for Morgan.

 
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Also, Prioleau was the one that found Wes...but McDermott landed him...as is often the case with assistants finding recruits, and coaches sealing the deal. It's funny you don't hear about assistant coaches "whiffing" on recruits, but when we sign a good one, it's because of the assistant...
 
Morgan recruited Brackins, as did McDermott at UNI, but Brackins was not coming to ISU because of Morgan, he came because he liked the place...he was unsigned and uncommited when Wayne was fired and Greg was hired...and he liked ISU, and knew of us thanks to Wayne...he also liked coach Mac, but wanted to play at a higher level than the Missouri Valley, so when Mac got hired here Brackins was one of the first players he went after...he is every bit a McDermott recruit...

THANK YOU! You dam right he's every bit a Gmac recruit. He came here to play for THIS staff. THIS staff should get all the credit in the world for landing 5 star stud Craig Brackins.

This thread is driving me nuts, I really need to stop looking at it. Whether it was intentional or not, the "pot" here has been stirred completely out of control.
 
I maintain that the claims of WM being an excellent recruiter is more of a myth than a fact. One simply has to take an honest look at the following list - Evanovich, Gray, Lee, Mardsen, Agnew, Chiraev, Davis, Faulkner, and George. This isn't the type of list that is going to produce deep tournament runs, let alone competitive records. Yes, I didn't include the smaller list of guys who could play and fit into a college environment. The problem is that the majority of our Big XII competition signed as good if not better level of talent during that 3 year period.

I guess if you leave out Blalock, Stinson, Taggert, Carr, Degand, Stinnet, Clark, and Westbrook I would agree that WM wasn't a very good recruiter.
 
OK enough with the damn comparing WM and Gmac as far as recruiting

1. WM and GMAC Run COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLES!!!!
2. IF you really want to go back to the run n gun and the 2-3 zone.. become a Orange fan!
3. GMAC is not that bad of a recruiter.. he is good at finding talent fast.. and has just had some tough luck...
4. BACK TO THE DANM SUBJECT


Does anyone know how the visits are going?
 
I think everyone here would agree that we fans want what is best for ISU. I have faith in McD. He needs more time. Cyfan13 said that the players respect him and believe in him. That is all I needed to hear. I don't care if he doesn't connect.

For those who aren't happy, I'd like to hear how YOU think the situation could be better. If you are going to complain, lets hear some solutions. Also, think about the repercussions of the solution you propose. I get that the people who are unhappy aren't happy because things aren't happening fast enough. Tell me how your solution will get this program winning sooner. Think like the AD would about this. Don't think like an impatient child and just tell me you want to win NOW. Like I said, we all want what is best for ISU and we all want to win. IMO, our current course is the best option at this point.
 
One improvement would be to run more of a motion offense, to make us harder to defend. We do SO much standing around - I'd like to see all players moving.
 
I guess if you leave out Blalock, Stinson, Taggert, Carr, Degand, Stinnet, Clark, and Westbrook I would agree that WM wasn't a very good recruiter.

Compared to what the 6 Big XII teams in the tournament this year brought in during the same period, WM's recruiting was indeed ho-hum. Wayne's best so far have made it to the development league. The competition has placed guys in the NBA without all of the busts that Wayne ended up with. It's really not that hard to admit that other teams have talented players if you make an effort to look at other rosters.
 
Has anyone seen these players around campus? Do they look like they're enjoying themselves?
 
Who's the best recruiter is a mute point because Mac is our coach. WM is gone and will not be back. If we can establish a program where coachs and players stay around I feel ISU can become a power in the BIG 12. Look at how well the Big 12 is doing in the tourneyment and look how well we played these same teams. Doesn't that prove to anyone that Mac can coach? We belong to the best conference in the land in both football and basketball (Men and women) We are competitive with the best and I feel that stability will create a program that will beat the best. I was not a fan of TF's style until we began to win and then I began to love 5 second calls, shot clock violations and blocked shots. I liked the game better than Orr's BB. The same will be true of the present. Change brings uncertainty and player turnover. We've tried that. Now let's try stability and see if that will work.
 
We belong to the best conference in the land in both football and basketball (Men and women) We are competitive with the best and I feel that stability will create a program that will beat the best.

Agree about the best conference, and definitely agree about needing stability...but in all seriousness, I dont think that we can say that we were "competitive" in the Big XII. We may have taken Texas to overtime on our home court, but we did finish in 11th place this year after finishing in the lower half last year. Just an objective assessment of where we are at...and I think we've got a ways to go.
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Agree about the best conference, and definitely agree about needing stability...but in all seriousness, I dont think that we can say that we were "competitive" in the Big XII. We may have taken Texas to overtime on our home court, but we did finish in 11th place this year after finishing in the lower half last year. Just an objective assessment of where we are at...and I think we've got a ways to go.
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I'd say it's debatable we're the best conference? How many national champions in the last 20 years? We could make a much better case for football than basketball.

We're a top 5. No doubt about that.
 
Why are so many fans so narrow minded? If a conference has the NC and yet that is the only team to make the final 32 is the conference great or is one team great. If another conference has 6 teams in the final 32 and yet does not have the NC is that conference a bad one. The same is true of what you consider being competiitive. Wins and losses don't judge how competitive a team is. What does is how well you play other teams. Sure we got blown out in some games but we also played some very good teams very well. That is being competitive.
 
Best conference this year has NOTHING to do with national champs from the past 20 years. It has to do with THIS year. Big 12 has 2 very strong teams left. We'll see how it plays out.
 
Here are the facts as I see them:

1. Gmac has poor rapport with players and can't recruit, but he may have a systemized approach.

2. WM was a good assistant, has good rapport with players and is a good recruiter, but can't put it all together.

3. Some of LE's phenomenal success could be attributed to WM's help.

3. WM is currently unemployed and living in Ames.

The latest question is - Why not re-hire WM as an assitant to help in retention, training, recruiting? This would put an immediate stop to our tailspin. It requires both sides to swallow their pride for the good of the program.

Now THAT's a FOX reality show waiting to happen!