Flying is hard

Seems surprising, small single engine plane for business/high liability type travel. Interesting to see what the audit will say.

You aren't being serious right? That are just as safe as any other aircraft. In fact the Cirrus has an airframe parachute system.
 
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AerE used to. Current students use flight simulators rather than hands-on flight experience now. Glad I got the hands-on experience when I went through.

http://www.aere.iastate.edu/facilities/ ("Flight Simulator Lab" is described partway down the page)

In-flight training is still in the course description for 301. Last I knew, the student could choose whether to use the simulator or actually fly. If I remember right, was a cost either way, when they first got the simulator, they had some issues to work out.
 
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In-flight training is still in the course description for 301. Last I knew, the student could choose whether to use the simulator or actually fly. If I remember right, was a cost either way, when they first got the simulator, they had some issues to work out.

Agree that the catalog reads as if it's still real flying. I spoke to an AerE senior today and he said it's been simulator-only for a couple years now. I can believe there being an option during the transition time, though.
 
My kid took it the first term they had the simulator. It was so messed up, they actually had to finish it the next semester, I think they just passed them all and had them come in and finish hours, I think the reason for it though is they have so many Aer E majors now, it was really hard to schedule the flying. He was going to take the flying option, but the times available never worked with his schedule. I think once they worked out the bugs with the simulator, at least it was easy to schedule. And I think they let them finish up the next term in part because when they finally had it working well, they were backed into finals and didn't want them to have to mess with it then. Pretty sure they got to do extra hours if they wanted to though cause they had kind of jerked them around (which he says was par for the course with the department lol).
 
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Good to see the state auditor's office is doing their own audit. I was worried the BOR was the only one who'd be doing the audit. It's obvious the BOR wants this scandal to quietly go away.

It's also interesting how quickly the Story County Attorney's Office announced they aren't going to investigate. They're gonna look pretty stupid (or pretty corrupt) when the state auditor finds that laws have been broken.

Finally, it's interesting how the Governor's spokesperson notes that no laws have been broken. Branstadt also wants the scandal to quietly go away.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...or-also-reviewing-iowa-state-flights-20161025
 
If Rastetter feels any heat, he clearly will turn on Leath. However, I doubt he ever feels any heat with the governor.
Rastetter may not have as big an ally in Branstad if the race to be the next R candidate for gov is Reynolds vs Rat.

I hope an audit can include disclosure from the fired foundation presidents. They can't say anything due to their separation agreements now, but it would be quite interesting to hear what they would have to say.
 
As an Aero E alumni who flew the old plane (2 hours) It was a great experience but from my perspective not much was learned that couldn't be taught in a simulator or in the classroom. Most airlines use simulators (all be it a little higher fidelity the the one ISU has) to train their pilots.

I maybe in the minority but I have no problem with Leath using university assets such as aircraft even if there is no reimbursement. He's a highly compensated individual ($800K+) and I want to squeeze every second out of him and not standing in line at TSA or driving in a car.

Also interesting to see that the football coaches wives were flown back to Toledo (plane returned to Ames w/o passengers) on the King Air on 12/11/15 for "Business" purposes.
 
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As an Aero E alumni who flew the old plane (2 hours) It was a great experience but from my perspective not much was learned that couldn't be taught in a simulator or in the classroom. Most airlines use simulators (all be it a little higher fidelity the the one ISU has) to train their pilots.

I maybe in the minority but I have no problem with Leath using university assets such as aircraft even if there is no reimbursement. He's a highly compensated individual ($800K+) and I want to squeeze every second out of him and not standing in line at TSA or driving in a car.

Also interesting to see that the football coaches wives were flown back to Toledo (plane returned to Ames w/o passengers) on the King Air on 12/11/15 for "Business" purposes.

The question is not about whether university should allow for Leath to use university planes for personal reasons. That's a different debate. As it stands right now, university policy does not allow for that. The only question then is whether Leath violated this policy.
 
The question is not about whether university should allow for Leath to use university planes for personal reasons. That's a different debate. As it stands right now, university policy does not allow for that. The only question then is whether Leath violated this policy.

Agree. I don't think there is any debate of his or anyone else's use of them for legitimate business reasons. It is the gray area of using them to go hunting with celebrities and other to try and drum up leads along with the outright personal reasons.
 
As an Aero E alumni who flew the old plane (2 hours) It was a great experience but from my perspective not much was learned that couldn't be taught in a simulator or in the classroom. Most airlines use simulators (all be it a little higher fidelity the the one ISU has) to train their pilots.

I maybe in the minority but I have no problem with Leath using university assets such as aircraft even if there is no reimbursement. He's a highly compensated individual ($800K+) and I want to squeeze every second out of him and not standing in line at TSA or driving in a car.

Also interesting to see that the football coaches wives were flown back to Toledo (plane returned to Ames w/o passengers) on the King Air on 12/11/15 for "Business" purposes.

At least for my kid, besides the ease of scheduling, he liked the simulator because they were able to use it for more hours. I think they got a lot of hours eventually as the guinea pig class when they finally got it working well.
 
The question is not about whether university should allow for Leath to use university planes for personal reasons. That's a different debate. As it stands right now, university policy does not allow for that. The only question then is whether Leath violated this policy.
Agreed, but I've seen a few people questioning why the university needs planes. It's not like we have a fleet of G650's on alert waiting to whisk the leaders off to the four corners of the earth. A 14 year old king air and a SR22 aren't really the most glamorous forms of travel.

There is a reason why many large profitable corporations have a large fleet of jets and it's not for the CEO. Time=Money!
 
Agreed, but I've seen a few people questioning why the university needs planes. It's not like we have a fleet of G650's on alert waiting to whisk the leaders off to the four corners of the earth. A 14 year old king air and a SR22 aren't really the most glamorous forms of travel.

There is a reason why many large profitable corporations have a large fleet of jets and it's not for the CEO. Time=Money!

Many universities have jets too. Michigan has one that is painted like their football helmet. I have a picture of it on my old phone.
 
The question is not about whether university should allow for Leath to use university planes for personal reasons. That's a different debate. As it stands right now, university policy does not allow for that. The only question then is whether Leath violated this policy.
It is actually not a matter of ISU policy, it is State law.

Agreed, but I've seen a few people questioning why the university needs planes. It's not like we have a fleet of G650's on alert waiting to whisk the leaders off to the four corners of the earth. A 14 year old king air and a SR22 aren't really the most glamorous forms of travel.

There is a reason why many large profitable corporations have a large fleet of jets and it's not for the CEO. Time=Money!
Tough to make this argument when the claimed business purpose is meeting of a few hours over the course of several days.
 
As an Aero E alumni who flew the old plane (2 hours) It was a great experience but from my perspective not much was learned that couldn't be taught in a simulator or in the classroom. Most airlines use simulators (all be it a little higher fidelity the the one ISU has) to train their pilots.

I maybe in the minority but I have no problem with Leath using university assets such as aircraft even if there is no reimbursement. He's a highly compensated individual ($800K+) and I want to squeeze every second out of him and not standing in line at TSA or driving in a car.

Also interesting to see that the football coaches wives were flown back to Toledo (plane returned to Ames w/o passengers) on the King Air on 12/11/15 for "Business" purposes.
I can see the wives flying back to Toledo as business. I'm sure it has to do with getting the new coaches and family moved to Ames.
 
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Agreed, but I've seen a few people questioning why the university needs planes. It's not like we have a fleet of G650's on alert waiting to whisk the leaders off to the four corners of the earth. A 14 year old king air and a SR22 aren't really the most glamorous forms of travel.

There is a reason why many large profitable corporations have a large fleet of jets and it's not for the CEO. Time=Money!

Those arguments (against) are dumb. Those planes get used a lot, and have probably paid for themselves many times over.
 

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