Flopping

[IcSyU]

They seriously need to get rid of the charging call. No longer allow a defensive player to set his feet and 'draw' a foul.

Only call offensive fouls on out of control players or blatant push offs.

You don't have to set your feet for it to be a charge.

And most of the charges called are due to push offs, just not with the arm. When you use your shoulder to clear space that's still a push off. As soon as the shoulder and head dip the likelihood of an offensive foul being called skyrockets.

And what you see as flopping isn't necessarily as easy for the official to see. You still have to be at the perfect angle to see it.

 

[Knownothing]

And what you see as flopping isn't necessarily as easy for the official to see. You still have to be at the perfect angle to see it.

How come we can see it with no perfect angle but they can't and they are supposed to be trained to see it and not only that they get paid to see it. Yet that can't see it. I hate when people make excuses for people who don't do their job right. 15k can see something. Yet one guy who is actually paid to see it, can't.

 

[IcSyU]

How come we can see it with no perfect angle but they can't and they are supposed to be trained to see it and not only that they get paid to see it. Yet that can't see it. I hate when people make excuses for people who don't do their job right. 15k can see something. Yet one guy who is actually paid to see it, can't.

Have you ever officiated a basketball game? Now have you ever sat in the stands and watched one? Seeing something from above is a hell of a lot easier than seeing it when everyone on the floor is a lot taller than you. Not to mention the official has to pay attention to a lot more crap than some dude in the crowd does. He's watching to see that the shooter is behind the arc, then that the ball is released cleanly without contact to the arm or body of the shooter, then probably trailing his eyes to watch the rebounding area. A "flop" could be something as easy as the shooter landing on the defender's foot.

In last night's case, neither trail official has the angle to see whether it was a flop. The one official was near the scorer's table so he can't see if there is contact on the front of the shooter and the other trail official near free throw line extended across the court can't see if there is contact. He's just checking that if there is contact, had the defender gained initial guarding position and did the defender maintain verticality. You get to see replays repeatedly and casually watch the game, the official has a split second to process a ton of different ****.

So, in short, you're wrong. The referees did their jobs just fine on the flop in question. Now I won't say they were good because they were incredibly inconsistent but on the play in question they got it right.

 

[Knownothing]

Refs used to be better and they only had 2 working per game. BTW I sit courtside at Iowa State games. Yeah I am on the court. So I have the same view as the ref. The exact same view. Sometimes the ref get's in my way.

 

[kberyldial]

Pierre Jackson flops without falling at least six times every time he has the ball. That to me is way more annoying. I don't know how he deals with the constant whiplash of him flailing his head back anytime a defender gets close to him. Looks like he's sticking a paper clip in an outlet over and over and over and over.

 

[jakecovo21]

that kid has my respect for his size, being def, and walking on. but yes flopping is turrible anymore.

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[ajk4st8]

You don't have to set your feet for it to be a charge.

And most of the charges called are due to push offs, just not with the arm. When you use your shoulder to clear space that's still a push off. As soon as the shoulder and head dip the likelihood of an offensive foul being called skyrockets.

And what you see as flopping isn't necessarily as easy for the official to see. You still have to be at the perfect angle to see it.

No ****. Read my post. I think that intentionally trying to draw a charge should be outlawed.

It happens all the time. Guys run in front of a moving player and intentionally try to draw charges. That call HAS to go.